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I met Max Mackey soon after he opened the Moto House Coffee in South Fort Collins off College Avenue.
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I'd recently become the proud owner of a 1976 BMW R75 Slash 6 and the former owner told me of a group of old, and some younger, mostly BMW guys that met regularly for evening coffee and riding.
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It was the coolest spot in town for the riding community for several years.
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But was ultimately killed by the Great Recession.
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I kept the R 75 for over 10 years, and she served me well.
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Upstaged in most parking lots only by Max's earlier model R 75 5 with a chrome toaster tank.
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The closure of Max's coffee shop led to a long term chapter with Coda Coffee in Denver, and lots of music, especially his guitar and vocals with the band Thunk, for 16 years.
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In 2018, after his girls were out of the nest, Max took the leap into full time music, playing everywhere he could make at least 100 plus tips.
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His growing popularity led to an album effort based in California, but COVID delays interrupted the album and then a tragic motorcycle accident flipped the script and shattered his knee and sent him into a tailspin.
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Many months and much pain and physical regression later, Max went into a surgery not knowing if he'd lose his leg below the knee or not.
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Max came out of that surgery with a new mechanical knee and a new lease on life.
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His music career caught fresh fire and turned into a trio, you.
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And then into a band, and now he's a what size do you need original music plus great jam covers offering to the local Colorado music community, and beyond.
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This was an intensely personal conversation, re getting to know a friend from long ago, and I'm certain you'll enjoy my conversation with Max Mackey.
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Look for Max's new album coming soon, Eyes on the Road, and check out Max's upcoming dates and more at maxmackey.
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com.
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July 3rd, Penrose Taproom, July 6th, Panhandler's Pizza, and July 7th at the St.
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Julian Hotel in Boulder.
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Motorcycles are dangerous.
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It's like, well, you know, motorcycles just sit there.
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They don't do anything.
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Right.
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It's the people that are dangerous.
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Yeah.
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It's an inanimate object.
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That can be dangerous.
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Um, driven by the wrong person, but more dangerous is being ignored by the cagers, right?
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That's it.
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The cages.
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I haven't heard that.
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That's funny.
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Self imposed cage.
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Cagers.
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Well, um, I'll lead us in and then, uh, we'll, we'll have a good time here.
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All right.
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Um, Welcome back to the Loco Experience Podcast.
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My guest today is Max Mackey.
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And Max is the founder, owner, CEO, and janitor at Max Mackey Music.
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All of those things.
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And more.
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And more.
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Especially the janitor.
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So, um, like for our listeners that haven't, uh, caught you in a show, uh, what, what is Max Mackey Music?
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Yeah, um, In a big zoom up approach wise.
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Yeah, um, looking outside, looking in, uh, Uh, I have been a full time, well, I've been a musician most of my life.
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I think I played my first gig with my Check this, you can tuck your, tuck your cord in either underneath your leg or in the cushion or whatever and it doesn't pull on your ear.
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Hopefully also bad.
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Uh, I played my first gig when I was 15 years old.
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Um, and I really have with a little bit of a gap between 16 and 19.
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Um, I had been playing music, a lot of music, the majority of my life.
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I'm 49 years old.
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So that puts 30 years of a lot, you know, there are people say, Oh, I've played guitar and I've had a guitar, but I play every day.
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I think I've played every day for 30 years.
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Oh, really?
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So, uh, 20 And how, when do you turn 50, by the way?
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October 24th.
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Huh.
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I'll be 50 on August 20th.
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Okay.
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We're just about the same age.
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We're just about the same age.
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You look way better than me.
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Right?
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Well, you've been playing music for 30 years.
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I'm haggard.
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I'm weathered.
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Um Yeah, so that's been my, um, it's been like, uh, like most people I had, you know, I raised kids, got married, um, had a job, um, played music on the side, was in bands, but in 2018, uh, formally left my career and became a musician full time.
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And it has, I've never looked back.
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It's been the best thing that I've, I've always known.
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I have always known in my gut that, um, Music is what I should be doing.
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It's just, you know, it's hard to, um, find that pathway often in the way our society is kind of built up, you know, it's just, it was probably way easier to be one of those guys, those bards that went around to taverns and stuff in the old English days, right?
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Like everybody needed one of those.
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That's what I want to do now, really.
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I just want to carry around a lute and just go to taverns.
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Salt road brewing.
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That's Probably a fair bit of your gigs, especially for your, cause you're a, sometimes you're a one man band.
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I sure am.
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Yeah.
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That's actually where the bread and butter.
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Right.
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Well, he doesn't have to pay a bunch of people.
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That's it.
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That's it.
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You know, it's funny being a, um, there's not that many of us in this town, actually, that are full, full time musicians.
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Most, most musicians, it's supplementary and they do it for fun and on the weekends.
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But, um, when I, When I went for it, I'd actually kind of, I actually went for it by, by accident.
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I, uh, I had left my job with, you know, I raised my kids and they were, um, now grown up and gone or going.
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And I just was realizing that I never really got to answer that question that I feel like I always, I was so jealous of people who knew what they wanted to do when they were young.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I took a job in a restaurant and I really enjoyed it.
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I opened up my own coffee shop, which we'll get into, um, moto house coffee, which was great.
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Um, but I never really, you know, I just was, I thought maybe if I took a year off, I could figure out what was next.
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You know, I, I knew I didn't want to go back to restaurants.
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I knew I was tired of what had you been doing immediately prior.
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Yeah.
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So I ran of 2018.
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Yeah.
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So, um, 2000 had my first kid.
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MROs and, uh, got a job with Brinker International, which is Chili's and all those restaurants, and they were great to me.
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I worked for them for six years as a manager, and they had actually offered me a general manager position if I moved to Um, Montrose, which, you know, it wasn't actually a pretty sweet, it's pretty sweet town back then.
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I did not want to go.
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So I was like, you know, I saw the cliff either hit the brakes or hit the gas.
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And I just was like, I hit the gas.
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They offered me the promotion.
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And then I just gave him my notice instead, which was pretty sweet.
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You know, it was good for me, and good for my family, um, and then my wife and I at the time, uh, decided to open Motohouse.
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Oh, way back then.
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So that was 05, yeah.
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That's how we got acquainted.
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That's how we met.
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Beginning with.
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Yeah, and then, so I did that for, till the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac.
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Well, let's talk about Motohouse.
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Oh yeah, sure.
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Let's talk about this, like, you just got a wild hair.
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Yeah.
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Like, you're like, I guess I'm pretty good at running a restaurant.
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They keep giving me promotions or trying to have me move to Montrose, whatever.
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Yeah.
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I mean, honestly, that you, you, I was started off as a server and then they said, Hey, you should be a bartender.
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And then I moved to Colorado.
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This was in Texas.
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Believe it or not, I had a nine month stint in south of Houston, Texas.
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Oh, that's pretty hot down there.
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I reckon not for me.
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And so, um, came back to Colorado.
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And got a job at the Fort Collins Chili's as a manager and then they moved me to Longmont and I just am, I mean, I feel like in my life, um, do it well or, or don't do it.
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I just have always, I think I show up.
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Yeah.
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My, my parents were always that way.
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They're self made.
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They raised four kids like.
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I've never ever been good at just doing the minimum.
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It's just not in me.
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And so, um, yeah, they just kept giving me promotions by the end.
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I mean, I had a master's degree in small business management.
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I mean, I, I could run the ins and outs, responsibilities and all that.
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And so basically I just was like, I think I can open my own coffee shop.
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I think I can be done.
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And so I wrote a business plan.
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I wrote, um, high, middle, and low projections.
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I did the whole thing.
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It was months and months and months.
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Borrowed some money from the bank.
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Yep, I submitted it.
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That is a crazy story too, actually.
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Well, we, I got to get into that cause that's nuts.
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Let's do it.
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So, um, yeah, I got the loan.
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Um, we found a location.
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And you know, it was, it's rough as anybody knows in a small business, you don't make a ton.
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Your low projections weren't as low as they could have been.
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I should have gone low.
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I should have gone low.
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So many things you don't even realize, like, oh, what happens when they put a no left turn.
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Right.
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I mean, you just lost half your traffic.
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It's like, wow, you don't, they don't teach you.
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I mean, they probably do teach you that in the class, but not at Chili's restaurant.
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So that wasn't a no left turn and then they made it a no left turn?
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no left turn.
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No doubt.
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And so this is the space that's now Ace's Motorcycle?
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No, this is farther.
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This is all the way down.
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It's the one thing that will always make it, which is a weed shop.
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It's called, it's called N.
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A.
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something, but yeah, it's, it's become a weed shop and it'll do great.
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Right, right.
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Very visible there.
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They'll just.
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Do the internet.
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Come back.
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Right.
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Nobody cares.
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Yeah, there's another coffee shop coming right up, but there might not be a weed shop on the right hand side.
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I think there's one across the street, but it still doesn't matter.
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It's Colorado.
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Um, yeah, so it was great.
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We ran it and, uh, and had, we made so much community.
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I had never, it was really cool.
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I had never built, I had never been a part of building some sort of community like that.
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And it was so rewarding.
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I mean, I, some of my very best friends.
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Are still right.
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I met in 2005 right I mean it was just such a great it was such a great place as you remember the bike nights and the Spring and fall parties and I mean guys would just come in there and they would hang out Yeah for hours and hours and hours now, was it?
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Intentionally like a motorcycle friendly place?
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Was it because it didn't have parking very good or was it just because that was your hobby or combination of factors?
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Yeah, we picked the location, um, not wisely.
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Um, they did feed us a little bit of yarn about the South College project.
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And it was supposed to be this new growth spot and all right, it never, I mean, it still has never come nothing.
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Nothing lasts.
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I just noticed there was like the South Fort Collins business development district and it just never came.
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Yeah.
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I just noticed the taco stop is gone.
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You know, nothing lasts down there.
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They went, they went to, uh, they moved to the garlic nuts.
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So they're closer right over here at Loma, but the sprouts.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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We got rise right there.
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Plus, uh, that's become a hot corner, a little Collins for good, good food anyway.
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Yeah.
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Um, so, so you fought that uphill battle for a while.
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So we did the thing, um, the motorcycle theme came from, um, I mean, I've always been a motorcycle, so I bought my first bike when I was 16, I was working at a Chevron and bought a old Yamaha from one of the mechanics.
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And I.
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I mean, I was in heaven the second I got on it.
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And so, yeah, so I've never, I've never looked back with that either.
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I've had many, many, many, many motorcycles, but my father in law at the time had done a one year stint in Europe and he was just regaling us with stories of this.
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It's community motorcycle community.
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There is so different than I had believed here.
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Like, I knew, you know, about the whole, there was like the whole ride your bike to the bar on your Harley and do that community.
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But over there, motorcycling is way more of a way of life than it is a hobby.
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And so there are, it's almost a community like, Hey, we have a lot of motorcycle focused coffee houses because motorcyclists don't want to hang out with the cagers.
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Yeah.
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They just, or, or it's like, Hey, you know, refuel here and.
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Keep going or stop here.
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And so it was just, he was telling us stories about he and his buddies on their beamers would go and they'd meet up and, and then they ride to, you know, a hundred miles of this next town.
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There was another cool coffee shop, a thing, or a bit, you know, it was like this, whatever the whole moto house, which is spelled M O T O H a U S like a European spelling was my idea of.
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What that could be like here, basically.
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And so, um, it was a full functioning coffee shop for everybody.
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I mean, I had tons of other people who would come in who were just locals.
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And then, um, the motorcycle thing just, you know, just was what I really wanted to massage and it grew and grew until there was a hundred bikes there on a Thursday, every Thursday, guys were coming from Wyoming and coming up from Denver and coming up from Longmont.
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It was the only thing I was so far ahead of its time.
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Now.
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There's actually another place called Moto House.
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Oh, there is?
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Yeah, somebody used the name.
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I must have lost my way.
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Well, we're good, I guess.
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Yeah.
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I'm, you know, I'm, I'm a trendsetter.
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Well, you know, we'd said in banking, uh, the scouts get the arrows, but, but thanks for building that.
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It was a cool thing.
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How many years did you run it?
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Uh, Freddie May, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac was 08, 09.
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Okay.
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That's what killed it.
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That killed it off.
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Yeah.
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I'll never forget the front page or maybe not front page, but the front page of the business section on USA today, during that time when everybody Losing their homes and losing their I mean there was so much fraudulent.
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We're loaning going on Which I will get back to because my loan I'm gonna tell you about yeah, so I went from, you know, eight or 900, 000 bucks a day down to a hundred.
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Oh, the article, the article, it was like top 10 things to save money or whatever.
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They said, cut out coffee.
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And number one, it was like, I couldn't believe it.
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It was like, get rid of your morning latte.
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I was like, dude, what about cut out big Macs?
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What about cut out dip into that 50 a week?
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I know.
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So no, so they, it just.
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All across the board, lots of independent coffee shops went out at that time.
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Yeah.
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Cause you know, Starbucks was putting pressure on every well, probably 19 Starbucks in this town.
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I mean, there's a lot of independent still, but you know, yeah, just pretty good, but Compared to a lot of towns where Starbucks is half the business, you know, here we're doing a little better.
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Yeah, yeah, there's just, seems to be enough coffee shops or like breweries around here.
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You just, you build it and people will come.
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But it was fine, I mean, it just, it went the way it went.
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My landlords were unable to work.
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Accommodate you.
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No, there was none of that.
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It was just like, no, you owe me this.
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And so, at some point I just locked the doors and moved everything out.
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Left a note on the, I mean, literally left a note on the document.
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I was like, sorry.
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Adios.
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I didn't, I didn't ask for people to write fraudulent loans.
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Which is funny because the guys above me were.
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Mortgage broker.
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A mortgage broker.
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Yeah.
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They were the ones, so I didn't feel that bad.
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you could pay the rent.
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Yeah.
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Uh, so did you, uh, I, we kind of drifted away from music as a career here a little bit, but so did you go back into the restaurant industry then after your entrepreneurial sector?
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So much.
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Like, I much like, uh, my time at, with Chili's, my roasters at the time were coat of coffee.
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Oh.
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They were roasting and they were like, we love the way you run business.
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We love the way you.
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We want you to come down and we want to start a retail division and we want you to operate it.
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Which was fabulous and flattering.
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Yeah.
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And I was totally in.
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Yeah.
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There was one little thing in between, but it's irrelevant.
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Um, so I got on board with Coda and worked for them for 10 years.
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Oh, really?
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And it was fabulous.
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You know, they were really, um, right after, right after.
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And where is this at?
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Denver.
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It is.
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Okay.
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Yeah, right.
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You hustled that?
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It's a lot of commuting.
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Did you ride the bus thing?
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I did.
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You did?
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I waited and waited and waited for the bus thing.
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Waited and waited.
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That thing, if you gotta go to the right place in Denver, if you're going to downtown Denver, the bus thing is sweet.
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It was great.
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Yeah, I would pedal from my house.
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Catch it at Harmony, put my bike on the front, he would drop me off at Union Station, I would bike the, pedal the bike path up to Commerce City where Koda was, and they had a car I could use to go to run all my shops and run around, and then I would leave it and pedal back down.
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It was great.
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I mean, it added for a full day, but yeah, they were, they were super kind to me.
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They knew I had gone through divorce, not after the close of Motel House, and so being a single parent and they were really kind.
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Tom and Tim Thwaites, they were just, and their parents owned it, and they were.
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I loved working for them.
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It was fabulous and I would have stayed Um, it just my kids grew up And then I didn't need to have so much flexibility and I just was I was just tired of the kind of board Yeah, it's just a long time 10 years On something that was great and it wasn't really growing anymore And so well you were playing music that whole time I was playing in a band called thunk.
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Yeah for 16 years.
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Oh, yeah Yeah, which was great.
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That was a super fun band uh So actually at the, when I left Coda, um, I took a job just at a local place for one year, and that's when I was like, all right, now I'm just flailing.
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I'm just going to take a year off and figure out what I should be doing with my life.
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And actually I played an open mic like everybody does, which is nerve wracking.
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It's the worst thing you can do to yourself.
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I mean, it is terrifying to sit there with a guitar and sing and play your own songs.
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Yeah.
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I played two of mine and one.
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Of the cover and I just remember thinking I was gonna puke on the way to the mic.
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It's just What was the cover?
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Oh golly, I can't even remember.
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I wouldn't remember.
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I played it at at spotlight They used to have an open they're gone a long time.
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Yeah How long ago it was do you were you the lead man with thunk?
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No, I was a side man Okay.
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Yeah, which was great because that's i've always been really comfortable in that role I sing really well and harmonize really well.
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Yeah, um, and I love to play guitar.
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My heroes are jerry garcia and Dwayne Allman.
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I love to take big solos.
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So it was great for me, but I had never actually, actually the very first Foco MX.
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You know what that is?
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So Foco MX number one.
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Okay.
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I signed up Thunk and then two of the guys couldn't do it.
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And I wanted to do it.
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I really wanted to be a part of this music community because I was playing in Longmont in Boulder County a bunch.
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And so, that was the first time I led a band.
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Ever.
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Oh.
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And I actually, I did great and I loved it, but then I did not do it again for a very long time.
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And so, yeah, so playing out, I just played an open mic and then I booked my first solo gig, which was out at, um, in Windsor somewhere.
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I can't remember the name of the place, but that was the first time.
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Okay.
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And I got done and the guy was like, Hey, man, you're really good.
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Let me go get my calendar.
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Let's get you back in here.
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And so I played some more and then I booked another place and same thing happened.
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I booked another place and all of a sudden, I mean, what you're trying to be on sabbatical.
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And I was like, this is great.
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And when you play solo, well, in the beginning, you, you just take gigs, you know, right.
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Which is a really funny thing that I'd love to get into the, it's a common argument about how much musicians should be paid.
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I have my own Theory on it, but so at the time I just was saying yes.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Yes, and I think I played 119 times And it was fabulous in a year.
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Yeah On the year I was taking off.
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What was your sudden?
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How was your average?
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My take yeah.
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Yeah, so did you start almost free, you know 50 but ever free never free I think my set right away 100 bucks was like that's the kind of the going average.
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Yeah And then, um, but tips are great.
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Right.
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If you go to the brewery, you bet.
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If you're good, people stay, they tip you.
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So I was bringing home.
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Two to three hundred.
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Yeah.
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And plus the brewery is super happy because people stayed an hour and a half longer than they might have otherwise.
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And if you play restaurants, if you play these places, oftentimes you get fed, you get, you know, so I felt like I was going out all the time.
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Like I was, this first year was like magic.
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Right.
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And you're newly kind of empty nested too, right?
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You're kids.
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You're like, I'm like a man on vacation.
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Fully, fully raging.
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Get to play music.
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Yeah.
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So all day I would go mountain biking.
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I'd go paddle boarding on the reservoir.
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All right.
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You know, do some housework around, write some music and then go to a gig.
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And I was like, this is work.
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Like, this is what it is.
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I can't believe it.
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I've always heard people say when you're doing what you love, it doesn't feel like work, but this is the first time I'd ever really had accomplished that, that goal.
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So, yeah.
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So I kind of bumped into this thing and, um, and I had never really been a guy that, like I sang a couple of songs and thunk and I harmonized, but all of a sudden I was.
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Learning to sing and learning about my range and getting better on the guitar and I bought a loop pedal Okay, and I learned to loop and oh like keller williams does with his stuff Yeah, so I can create my own shows like sure it was really fun and it has always been fun ever since that and so Really that has been my you know Small business, your primary revenue driver is mostly the solo stuff, but occasionally bands need to fill in.
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Yeah.
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Well, then I started the Max Mackey band.
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Oh, okay.
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Okay.
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Yeah, I started, I just also, then I just decided that I wanted to.
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I thought that existed.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, it exists.
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But it's, it's more for if somebody wants a more complete experience of sorts, or is it a whole different genre?
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That came out of it.
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But when I first started it, again, like I, I think I'm, um, I am a.
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I'm a big Jerry Garcia guy, I've always been a Deadhead, and one of the things that I, I loved was a joint?
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No.
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Okay.
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I always keep them handy in case people want to.
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Oh, I do see it.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Um, uh, you know, one of the things that I used to love when I would play the Dead, a ton of people would be like, God, can you just play something else besides the Dead?
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I would just play Jerry Garcia.
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Which is, you know, not on purpose, but So I always loved his take on that.
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His take, you know, the Dead was the Dead.
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But when he got to go play with the Jerry Garcia band, he could do whatever he wanted.
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Covers, fun, just having fun with great people.
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And so I really modeled the Max Mackey band after that.
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I've always wanted to play these Bob Dylan songs.
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I'd wanted to play these JJ Gray songs.
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I'd always want, I thought I could do a good job on them.
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And so that's how the original Max Mackey band, that one is dissolved and it's a new version now, but the first couple of years that was the band.
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It was great.
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I had a great time.
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And then.
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I would find myself like, well, this is too big for a solo and not big enough for the band, but hey, would the, you know, Dwight was the drummer and Scott was the bass player.
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I was like, you guys want to try a trio here?
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Right, right.
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Which was terrifying.
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Then we were the Max Mackey Trio.
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Right, then it was the Max Mackey Trio.
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It's funny, if you Google Max Mackey or YouTube Max Mackey.
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Band or trio.
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It's so funny to go back and look at so many variations of who I have played with.
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The quartet.
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Back when Red Truck was open, there's a video of me playing with Darren Raddick on the drums and Vinny LaCursi on the bass.
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When 5030 Local, which is Brooklyn Brewing, they used to have music and I played with Jim Fricker on the bass and Dwight Mohlbrad on the drums and Just, it's really interesting.
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Like how many, and now I've played with Taylor Tesler and Darren Raddick and AJ Knight, and it's just all these people.
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But once you, oops, once you start to, um, speak the language, right.
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It's really not as difficult.
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You can plug and play relatively easily if you're in the same kind of genre.
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And I just don't, I don't panic anymore.
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Like I've been doing it for so long now.
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Like for me, the challenge is.
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Playing with somebody new.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, it's great.
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And so, um, yeah, it just it has it has manifested itself or morphed Into me being able to be a very busy as busy as I want to be.
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Yeah musician And so it's been really great.
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It has been a treat and it has been such a joy And I've got to bring my kids along with me.
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Yeah, I played in a big country band called mad cow posse for a long time Okay, it's a big Weld County band.
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All right, and they grew they got to go To so much cool stuff when they were little right we got to play with bands like molly hatchet and john michael montgomery and And just all these great we were big country bands So we opened for all these guys and we played right after keith urban one time.
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It was great You know, they got to just be along for that ride, which, which has been really fun for them.
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How many local, if you had a pen and paper and an hour, how many local musician names could you write down that, that, you know, or you could text them?
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Oh yeah.
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Dozens.
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Yeah.
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Dozens and dozens.
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Yeah.
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This is a really neat, I'm actually so glad you asked that question.
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This is, you know, the, one of the first guys that I met, his name is Brian Johansson.
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He plays in the, in front of band called the sugar britches.
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Yeah, yeah, I've seen them he um, he and I like randomly I don't know.
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We just struck it off on this really neat friendship, but over Being a supportive community like I remember one time.
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I think he posted he was like, hey sugar bridges aren't playing this weekend but go check out max mackey and this and that and I was like cool, what a great what and so I just I'm like i'm i'm just gonna pay that back.
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And so It has been on and on and on this Great community and we often like play together.
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Like I just sat in with joe schicke in the men of soul I played with brian johansson the other day.
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I played with the lyd dixon band like It is just the most non aggressive Right and I hear It's not always that way.
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I mean, I hear a lot of, it's like headhunting for gigs and undercutting, you know?
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We just don't see here.
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No, not or here, but like in Boulder or whatever.
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Yeah.
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Or LA or New York, like yeah, places.
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I'm not going to those places, but I hear that it could be that way.
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But Fort Collins and also.
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Maybe we're just a little bit jaded here because there are so many places to play.
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Oh, it's so cool.
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It's unreal.
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I mean, people don't realize that.
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When you mention Red Truck, have you been over to Sweetwater lately?
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Yeah, yeah.
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Seems like you'd be good for that crowd.
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Yeah, I played there.
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I played there a few times.
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Jill and I, uh, have taken a habit of, uh, Tuesday afternoon, um, Trivia.
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Oh, great.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, which they don't have music there for that.
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But, uh, I think they're Wednesdays and Saturdays, I think, um, but anyway, hi, but that's a pretty cool set up there.
00:27:01.163 --> 00:27:03.273
I've been there for a couple of open mics as well.
00:27:03.304 --> 00:27:03.584
Yep.
00:27:03.864 --> 00:27:11.023
And, uh, yeah, I mean, that's just one, one example of 40 breweries in this town that want music two or three days a week.
00:27:11.044 --> 00:27:11.433
Right.
00:27:11.493 --> 00:27:17.713
It's remarkable, you know, and then for me, you know, this is, again, this is not my first year doing this anymore.
00:27:17.713 --> 00:27:19.153
So I have, yeah.
00:27:19.933 --> 00:27:27.453
I've become a bit more just bratty and selective on the places that I want to play and you don't play for a hundred bucks anymore, a hundred bucks.
00:27:29.233 --> 00:27:32.673
Yeah, no, that's that those, you know, I'm, I cut my teeth on that stuff.
00:27:32.673 --> 00:27:36.273
I did, I walked the walk, but, um, I don't have to do that anymore.
00:27:36.513 --> 00:27:57.374
Thankfully that's, that's the way you want in any business, you know, it's actually one of the things I mentioned before, there's the common, dialogue between musicians and venues on what it is they pay and who, who, you know, cause we, you see people like if you play for a hundred dollars, You're a f*cking can I say that?
00:27:57.423 --> 00:28:00.334
Yeah, you're f*cking every over everybody blah blah.
00:28:00.334 --> 00:28:03.324
Everybody should get paid more and i'm like well Not really.
00:28:03.394 --> 00:28:06.144
Yeah, I feel like Yeah, it's like that's my right.
00:28:06.334 --> 00:28:10.013
I'm a human being I can say I'll play that for 100 bucks if I want That's it.
00:28:10.054 --> 00:28:18.653
Take it if you want to if you don't want to but it's like if I suck They have the right to say never come back if you get your you get your electrician's License your first job.
00:28:18.653 --> 00:28:20.364
You're not asking for 150 000.
00:28:20.364 --> 00:28:26.394
Right you start And you start and you gain experience and you get better, hopefully, and then you ask for more.
00:28:26.394 --> 00:28:31.294
I mean, it's just the same in my, in my opinion, you follow that same trajectory.
00:28:31.294 --> 00:28:33.064
So the argument is moot.
00:28:33.074 --> 00:28:34.023
The dialogue is moot.
00:28:34.044 --> 00:28:44.413
It's like, if there's a place that does not care about the talent and all they want is their budget to be met at 75, there's plenty of people who would, you know, they already work five days a week.
00:28:44.413 --> 00:28:45.493
They'd love to get out and play.
00:28:45.824 --> 00:28:46.903
They don't really care about the money.
00:28:46.903 --> 00:28:47.753
They're just having a blast.
00:28:47.794 --> 00:28:55.574
And if that place doesn't care, Then you got to have those places and there's places that say, well, we really want this type.
00:28:55.703 --> 00:29:01.354
And so then you can ask, say, well, I can do that, but I need to get paid this and on and on.
00:29:01.354 --> 00:29:02.743
And so, you know, so on and so forth.
00:29:03.644 --> 00:29:09.413
That argument, um, is one I've, I've heard and listened to and stuff, but I don't think it's actually as delicate as everybody thinks.
00:29:09.413 --> 00:29:11.483
It's just part of being a musician, like any business.
00:29:11.523 --> 00:29:17.203
So back in the day when I first left banking to try to start a restaurant and I ended up with a, with a food trailer.
00:29:17.253 --> 00:29:18.544
Yeah, I remember those days.
00:29:18.574 --> 00:29:22.173
And I actually tried to pull together like a food truckers association.
00:29:22.173 --> 00:29:22.624
Yeah.
00:29:23.203 --> 00:29:36.854
Because I was almost, like, they had all these food trucks that were, they would cater a party, or they would bring their food trailer to a party of a known quantity or whatever, and they would just sell their stuff for 12 a plate, just like they did at the brewery.
00:29:37.713 --> 00:29:40.983
And I was like, dudes, caterers get paid 25 per meal.
00:29:41.163 --> 00:29:45.804
Plus a head and we can deliver that kind of quality, but we've got to start asking for it.
00:29:46.064 --> 00:29:46.394
Yeah.
00:29:46.413 --> 00:29:48.193
Cause I was out there asking for that price.
00:29:48.763 --> 00:29:49.913
You had a burger cart, right?
00:29:49.943 --> 00:29:50.344
Yeah.
00:29:50.634 --> 00:29:52.644
Burgers and sliders and tacos and stuff.
00:29:53.153 --> 00:29:53.304
Yeah.
00:29:53.304 --> 00:29:55.433
Bear's backyard grill umbrellas.
00:29:57.084 --> 00:29:59.953
Did you ever have our, uh, the bacon ate her sandwich?
00:29:59.993 --> 00:30:02.624
I don't know what I have, but I came to your cart a few times.
00:30:02.624 --> 00:30:02.923
Good.
00:30:02.973 --> 00:30:03.243
Good.
00:30:03.243 --> 00:30:03.384
Yeah.
00:30:03.384 --> 00:30:04.314
We played music shows.
00:30:04.314 --> 00:30:06.443
We always fed the band for free at Paddler's Pub.
00:30:06.644 --> 00:30:07.894
Well, that's actually in that.
00:30:07.953 --> 00:30:08.634
Oh, geez.
00:30:08.644 --> 00:30:09.634
And that's where I think I.
00:30:09.653 --> 00:30:10.584
That's where I, it could've been.
00:30:10.584 --> 00:30:15.114
Maybe we were with Thunk one of those times, I think then Yeah, probably It wouldn't have surprised me.
00:30:15.144 --> 00:30:15.983
What years were those?
00:30:16.074 --> 00:30:17.213
Uh, 2014.
00:30:17.213 --> 00:30:17.753
2015.
00:30:17.759 --> 00:30:18.263
That was thunk.
00:30:18.269 --> 00:30:18.499
Yeah.
00:30:18.503 --> 00:30:18.743
Yeah.
00:30:18.743 --> 00:30:22.193
We came up to paddlers, but we, I remember, yeah, we, we played a few local gigs up here.
00:30:22.644 --> 00:30:24.624
Oh, I have, uh, two questions.
00:30:24.653 --> 00:30:24.713
Yeah.
00:30:24.719 --> 00:30:24.858
Yeah.
00:30:24.894 --> 00:30:29.003
Um, one is, uh, do you mind if I smoke?
00:30:29.604 --> 00:30:29.874
Okay.
00:30:29.903 --> 00:30:30.594
I won't bother you.
00:30:30.713 --> 00:30:30.923
Okay.
00:30:31.013 --> 00:30:34.943
No, it doesn't, um, start talking about Jerry Garcia and bands like Got Me the Mood.
00:30:34.943 --> 00:30:37.884
I was born and raised in Alaska, man, national Pastime.
00:30:37.973 --> 00:30:38.874
So, um.
00:30:39.388 --> 00:30:46.669
The other question I have is, how would you describe to listeners, like, what's the solo Max Mackey experience?
00:30:46.679 --> 00:30:52.209
What's, uh, what, there's probably a range of experience even available as far as genres.
00:30:52.239 --> 00:30:53.098
Yeah, yeah.
00:30:53.098 --> 00:30:54.808
It's gonna have a gravelly voice, I know that.
00:30:54.828 --> 00:30:55.189
Yeah.
00:30:55.798 --> 00:31:07.848
Um, I think when, um, one of the things that I think people often comment or give me this, um, Just feedback or whatever.
00:31:07.848 --> 00:31:10.999
Yeah, um, they often just say it's like it's very organic.
00:31:11.269 --> 00:31:17.179
Okay, it's very organic What because my shows I loop and I solo different every time it's different always different.
00:31:17.179 --> 00:31:29.834
I don't memorize things ever I have the basis of the song and then I just really enjoy I want to enjoy myself as well Like I do want to put on a good show, but selfishly I've waited a long time for this.
00:31:29.834 --> 00:31:31.534
It's almost like jazz ish.
00:31:31.534 --> 00:31:32.253
Sure, you bet.
00:31:32.253 --> 00:31:34.923
You bet.
00:31:34.923 --> 00:31:35.614
100%.
00:31:35.933 --> 00:31:39.183
So yeah, when I play solo, um, it's very stripped down.
00:31:39.503 --> 00:31:41.624
It's just me, an acoustic, and then a loop pedal.
00:31:41.624 --> 00:31:45.443
And so, um, and it's just always going to be new and different.
00:31:45.443 --> 00:31:50.669
So, I think on that level, Um, it's, it appeals to just everybody.
00:31:50.669 --> 00:31:58.528
I mean, there are 25 year olds that are just, you know, I played over at Salt Road and this young couple was like, Oh my God, this is the best.
00:31:58.528 --> 00:32:00.038
We have not seen music in this town.
00:32:00.358 --> 00:32:01.278
It was so nice.
00:32:01.298 --> 00:32:01.909
Very nice.
00:32:01.909 --> 00:32:02.509
Complimentary.
00:32:02.909 --> 00:32:05.419
And then I've had, I have older couples in their sixties.
00:32:06.023 --> 00:32:14.673
Who love when I play Van Morrison or I do into the mystic or I do and I often um Mishmash my own in there and it gets lots of good feedback.
00:32:14.673 --> 00:32:18.634
It's also very accessible music I'm not trying to write things that are so avant garde.
00:32:18.653 --> 00:32:25.894
So, you know, my friend Darren gave me a nice compliment one time He was like, he has like your stuff just sounds like stuff that I would like.
00:32:26.423 --> 00:32:31.874
He was the drummer I play with you know, he's just I I write it very openly and it's for it's for the masses.
00:32:32.544 --> 00:32:36.314
I Shared this on a Gosh, I wonder who it was with.
00:32:36.314 --> 00:32:48.913
A podcast a while back, uh, that at least two, three dozen songs, like the chorus and some verses, uh, have washed down the shower with my shampoo.
00:32:49.003 --> 00:32:49.243
Yeah.
00:32:49.453 --> 00:32:56.693
Uh, cause I, I'm kind of a, I've written a number of poems and I write things and I've, I've definitely come up with like spontaneous song lyrics.
00:32:57.384 --> 00:32:58.604
And then they just go away.
00:32:58.683 --> 00:32:59.134
I know.
00:32:59.134 --> 00:33:00.443
And I feel bad about them.
00:33:00.723 --> 00:33:02.354
You, this is the best thing.
00:33:02.354 --> 00:33:06.463
I mean, along with the calendar, voice, I have a voice recorder.
00:33:06.503 --> 00:33:09.594
It is full, full of ideas.
00:33:09.614 --> 00:33:12.324
I would often be like two 30 in the morning.
00:33:12.324 --> 00:33:13.763
I'll have to get up to go pee or something.
00:33:13.763 --> 00:33:19.773
And then I just hear this and I just grabbed my phone and I sing it into the phone and then I put it away.
00:33:20.253 --> 00:33:26.074
And so when I'm ready for the next album, which I'm working on now, I can go through and like, I love that idea.
00:33:26.084 --> 00:33:27.084
I love this idea.
00:33:27.094 --> 00:33:28.153
I love this idea.
00:33:28.564 --> 00:33:31.523
And I have all these great starts that I just get to now expand upon.
00:33:31.624 --> 00:33:32.044
I love it.
00:33:32.173 --> 00:33:32.943
Yeah, it's great.
00:33:32.963 --> 00:33:38.463
It's great because, for me, music writing is, is, it's, it's an effort.
00:33:38.653 --> 00:33:40.743
Like, I have to put aside two hours.
00:33:40.913 --> 00:33:41.394
I go in there.
00:33:41.394 --> 00:33:42.374
It's not trying to burst out of you.
00:33:42.384 --> 00:33:43.253
No, I've never.
00:33:43.284 --> 00:33:46.074
It's more like Hemingway where you gotta make yourself write 500 words a day.
00:33:46.084 --> 00:33:46.534
That's it.
00:33:46.973 --> 00:33:49.953
I've not, I've never had divine inspiration on things.
00:33:49.973 --> 00:33:50.304
I just.
00:33:50.784 --> 00:33:59.693
Usually honestly what I do is, um, smoke some weed at night and I get my loop pedal out and I will find something that's really awesome and I'll loop it.
00:33:59.693 --> 00:34:01.304
Yeah.
00:34:01.683 --> 00:34:05.344
And then all the words will just come with the timbre of the song.
00:34:05.344 --> 00:34:08.103
And it's been, it's how I've always written.
00:34:08.103 --> 00:34:09.974
I've never written words first ever.
00:34:10.023 --> 00:34:10.454
Yeah.
00:34:10.554 --> 00:34:11.603
I can't imagine.
00:34:12.268 --> 00:34:13.018
Starting with me.
00:34:13.028 --> 00:34:22.018
Although I could actually, if, if I had just had a nice loop, I suspect you're right, I suspect I would start to come up with some words that would kind of go along with the flow.
00:34:22.018 --> 00:34:22.989
It's, it's great.
00:34:22.989 --> 00:34:23.259
Actually.
00:34:23.259 --> 00:34:24.188
It's a great way to write.
00:34:24.418 --> 00:34:28.148
And I don't want to sound braggadocious with my listeners out there.
00:34:28.148 --> 00:34:32.409
I'm not a songwriter by any means, but I've got kind of some of those instincts.
00:34:32.418 --> 00:34:35.679
And I think a lot more people do than they, than they realize.
00:34:35.688 --> 00:34:40.268
It's like, it's such a great outlet, you know, um, writing words.
00:34:40.759 --> 00:34:42.608
My girlfriend has always says like words matter.
00:34:42.849 --> 00:34:43.168
Yeah.
00:34:43.219 --> 00:34:44.018
Words matter.
00:34:44.059 --> 00:34:48.748
Writing is thinking is what, uh, Reno Caesar told me that years ago, the founder of the egg and I.
00:34:48.878 --> 00:34:49.329
Okay.
00:34:49.389 --> 00:34:51.349
Uh, he was like, you know, writing is thinking.
00:34:51.369 --> 00:34:54.168
And by the way you write, I can tell you think about a lot of things.
00:34:54.219 --> 00:34:54.619
Yeah.
00:34:55.398 --> 00:34:55.639
Yeah.
00:34:55.639 --> 00:34:58.829
And it's, it's a nice snapshot of where you are at that time.
00:34:59.039 --> 00:35:01.108
Which is one of the things that I'm learning now.
00:35:01.523 --> 00:35:04.153
I'm finishing my first full length album.
00:35:04.264 --> 00:35:05.123
Yeah, I was gonna ask about that.
00:35:05.123 --> 00:35:11.804
Yeah, and so, um, I have this, I can nitpick things, as I'm sure anybody can when they are looking at themselves.
00:35:11.804 --> 00:35:12.233
Yeah, yeah.
00:35:12.233 --> 00:35:17.733
You're your own worst critic, and so, one of the things you just have to remember is, that's just where you were then.
00:35:18.123 --> 00:35:20.204
It's where you are at that time.
00:35:20.204 --> 00:35:21.083
When you wrote that song.
00:35:21.083 --> 00:35:23.614
Yeah, my guitar playing was where it was.
00:35:23.634 --> 00:35:25.153
My singing was where it was.
00:35:25.503 --> 00:35:26.693
And you just have to let it be.
00:35:26.704 --> 00:35:43.193
You know, if you want to have a long career, You can't just not everything can be your magnum opus, you know, it's like it's just they are I mean if you listen to any long time musical act like tom petty or john mayer or You know that they evolve they evolve man.
00:35:43.193 --> 00:35:44.784
You evolve people like oh, I don't like him.
00:35:44.784 --> 00:35:46.574
He became a prick It's like well god.
00:35:46.574 --> 00:35:49.684
He's he's 30 years he's been writing albums or metallica.
00:35:49.684 --> 00:35:51.324
They're like metallica got soft.
00:35:51.324 --> 00:35:53.094
I'm like, didn't they just get old?
00:35:53.284 --> 00:35:54.193
Come on, dude They're old.
00:35:54.193 --> 00:36:09.139
They're like 60 They can't just be 22 year old punks Forever like you just have to let life be you have to and you get older you get wiser you have new things to say and you know, one thing I really like is the The Hootie the Blowfish guy turning into a country singer?
00:36:09.858 --> 00:36:10.998
And it just kind of fits in.
00:36:10.998 --> 00:36:11.699
Darius Rucker.
00:36:11.699 --> 00:36:14.369
Yeah, yeah, I think it kind of, it's better for him.
00:36:14.378 --> 00:36:17.989
Well, somebody else just did that, uh, who's the guy with all the tats all over his face?
00:36:18.838 --> 00:36:19.518
I don't know.
00:36:19.568 --> 00:36:20.478
Oh yeah, you do.
00:36:20.659 --> 00:36:23.128
Uh, he's like, I thought he was a big rapper.
00:36:23.778 --> 00:36:26.099
Oh, he just came out with a country song, yeah.
00:36:26.318 --> 00:36:27.248
He plays with everybody now.
00:36:27.248 --> 00:36:29.853
Oh, what's his Yes, I know who you're talking about.
00:36:29.864 --> 00:36:33.583
He's on the Grand Ole Opry! I was like, what is this happening right now?
00:36:34.264 --> 00:36:35.213
It's so funny.
00:36:35.434 --> 00:36:42.083
What, uh, do you have a, uh, well, I want to hear more about the album too, but do you have like a favorite song?
00:36:42.333 --> 00:36:43.724
Uh, that you've created?
00:36:44.103 --> 00:36:44.864
Oh, yeah.
00:36:45.034 --> 00:36:45.344
Oh, yeah, yeah.
00:36:45.344 --> 00:36:45.733
Yeah.
00:36:45.793 --> 00:36:46.134
Yeah.
00:36:46.143 --> 00:36:48.304
Hello, Virginia is my hello, Virginia.
00:36:48.324 --> 00:36:49.023
Hello, Virginia.
00:36:49.083 --> 00:36:54.414
And tell me about yeah Was that the same thing you were looping some stuff loop made a great.
00:36:54.914 --> 00:36:59.074
It's a great It's that wasn't inspired by a trip to Virginia or no bullsh*t like that.
00:36:59.253 --> 00:37:05.864
You know, it's funny It's one of the questions I get a lot is like who's who's Virginia who's Virginia, but really Virginia is just anybody.
00:37:05.864 --> 00:37:11.623
That's a song about, um, redemption and growth and strife.
00:37:11.643 --> 00:37:13.594
I write a lot of, I mean, I, same way I live my life.
00:37:13.594 --> 00:37:16.873
I just, I'm a real pull up your bootstraps kind of guy.
00:37:17.244 --> 00:37:18.534
Like I'm not, I'm not a victim.
00:37:18.534 --> 00:37:19.304
I don't whine.
00:37:19.994 --> 00:37:22.974
I just, you just do, do life the best you can.
00:37:23.054 --> 00:37:27.173
And so that's all, a lot of the songs on the album are in that vein.
00:37:27.184 --> 00:37:30.773
I wrote a lot of very, during the pandemic and it was a lot of just like.
00:37:31.204 --> 00:37:31.934
That's what this was.
00:37:31.934 --> 00:37:32.353
Yeah.
00:37:32.474 --> 00:37:32.884
Yeah.
00:37:32.963 --> 00:37:34.773
And so, uh, can you, can you lead us in?
00:37:35.599 --> 00:37:36.748
Well, I should have brought a guitar, right?
00:37:36.748 --> 00:37:37.548
I didn't even think about it.
00:37:38.199 --> 00:37:39.259
I'll just put my air guitar.
00:37:39.259 --> 00:37:40.938
Do do do do do do do do do.
00:37:41.648 --> 00:37:43.829
I'll just play you, I'll play you the song sometime.
00:37:43.889 --> 00:37:44.009
Okay.
00:37:44.048 --> 00:37:45.509
I have it on my phone, but you don't have to.
00:37:46.059 --> 00:37:47.369
Uh, the album will be done and then you'll get to hear it.
00:37:47.369 --> 00:37:53.478
If we had, if I had a Jamie, we could have him pull up to YouTube and show the listeners video of it and stuff.
00:37:53.818 --> 00:37:55.509
Yeah, Um, it's just a great song.
00:37:55.528 --> 00:37:56.969
There's a lot of great songs on the album.
00:37:56.969 --> 00:37:57.748
I'm really happy with it.
00:37:57.748 --> 00:37:59.559
I, it's not really what you're supposed to do anymore.
00:37:59.559 --> 00:38:00.188
That was your first album?
00:38:00.619 --> 00:38:01.798
This is my first full length.
00:38:02.119 --> 00:38:03.809
Oh, but is Hello Virginia on there too then?
00:38:03.878 --> 00:38:04.829
Yeah, Hello Virginia's on it.
00:38:04.829 --> 00:38:05.809
And it's fat.
00:38:05.818 --> 00:38:06.668
It is so good.
00:38:06.748 --> 00:38:07.099
Okay.
00:38:07.099 --> 00:38:07.708
It's really great.
00:38:07.728 --> 00:38:08.699
And when's that coming out?
00:38:08.929 --> 00:38:09.579
Soon.
00:38:09.699 --> 00:38:11.798
I'm on the final revisions.
00:38:11.838 --> 00:38:12.159
Okay.
00:38:12.188 --> 00:38:15.764
I've got a great Um, I restarted it in 2019.
00:38:15.873 --> 00:38:17.463
do you use a local studio?
00:38:17.784 --> 00:38:18.664
So, this is a question.
00:38:18.664 --> 00:38:19.273
Any shout outs?
00:38:19.284 --> 00:38:20.193
Use Ford local studio?
00:38:20.364 --> 00:38:24.253
Yeah, well, uh, hilariously, I started this in 2019.
00:38:24.914 --> 00:38:29.554
And as you know, that's the one year before a global pandemic.
00:38:29.594 --> 00:38:30.414
Yeah, I heard about it.
00:38:30.423 --> 00:38:33.603
So, I recommend you don't do that.
00:38:33.804 --> 00:38:38.454
So I started this, I was recording in Brisbane, California at a place called Lucky Studios.
00:38:38.873 --> 00:38:41.003
And, uh, a couple of great engineers there.
00:38:41.344 --> 00:38:43.324
And we tracked and tracked and tracked and tracked.
00:38:43.623 --> 00:38:44.454
And then I'll never forget.
00:38:44.454 --> 00:38:47.903
I was supposed to go back and I was just talking to my, my gal friend.
00:38:48.434 --> 00:38:49.833
And we were like, God, you see this?
00:38:49.833 --> 00:38:51.273
They're like closing down France.
00:38:51.273 --> 00:38:52.353
They're closing down.
00:38:53.123 --> 00:38:56.724
And then I called those guys and I was like, I don't think canceled their season.
00:38:57.063 --> 00:38:58.313
I don't think I should come out.
00:38:58.434 --> 00:39:00.784
And they were like, Oh, you got, we got a schedule to keep.
00:39:01.054 --> 00:39:03.864
And then literally the next day, SFO closed.
00:39:04.324 --> 00:39:04.574
Right.
00:39:04.574 --> 00:39:08.253
If I would've gone, I'd never would've got, I'd have been walking home, you know, or renting a car.
00:39:08.253 --> 00:39:11.244
So that put a big, that put a big damper on it.
00:39:11.708 --> 00:39:26.679
Yeah, and then I did get back out for like a couple of sessions I think Um, and then I got hit by a car as we can get into that story But so the album has been long time coming now, it's five years later And so i'm just really ready for it to be done.
00:39:26.829 --> 00:39:35.094
I'm ready to move on from these songs and Is the, is the gonna get hit by a car gonna be your loco experience story at the end?
00:39:35.653 --> 00:39:36.454
Oh, we can talk about it whenever.
00:39:36.463 --> 00:39:39.373
I think we should just talk about it now, unless that's your craziest story.
00:39:39.454 --> 00:39:41.273
You know, you got other crazy stories too.
00:39:41.423 --> 00:39:42.313
Yeah, I mean, that was just, um.
00:39:42.324 --> 00:39:48.333
So, so you're, so you're what, are you like 40 percent of the way through laying down the tracks of recording this new album?
00:39:48.333 --> 00:39:50.099
You're, you're, you're growing by the minute.
00:39:50.259 --> 00:39:52.559
You're trying to make it big kind of thing.
00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:54.048
I was really, I was like this.
00:39:54.068 --> 00:39:55.829
I'd put, I really was going for it.
00:39:55.829 --> 00:40:02.398
I mean, I had just gotten, I mean, some of this stuff sounds a little silly, but I had gotten a, I can't remember what they call anymore, but they talk about your image.
00:40:02.798 --> 00:40:03.159
Yeah.
00:40:03.449 --> 00:40:04.469
They got an image coach.
00:40:04.478 --> 00:40:04.838
Yeah.
00:40:04.838 --> 00:40:06.219
Not, or I can't miss that.
00:40:06.219 --> 00:40:07.168
It's a better word than that.
00:40:07.179 --> 00:40:11.018
That sounds really douchey, but it was, uh, it was all, I mean, I was ready.
00:40:11.018 --> 00:40:12.528
I was like, how do I do this?
00:40:12.528 --> 00:40:13.909
How do I, how do I make this work?
00:40:14.458 --> 00:40:22.384
Um, I was, yeah, I was full, full in, full in, and then, um, yeah, I was riding home one evening.
00:40:22.773 --> 00:40:26.673
I was actually about to play, I'll never forget this, because Oh, you were on your way to a gig.
00:40:26.753 --> 00:40:28.634
I was on my way home from a motorcycle event.
00:40:28.713 --> 00:40:29.143
Oh, okay.
00:40:29.253 --> 00:40:31.974
And I was, it was two days before I had What were you riding?
00:40:32.164 --> 00:40:34.153
I was on my old Dynam Harley.
00:40:34.284 --> 00:40:34.643
Okay.
00:40:34.653 --> 00:40:35.384
Great motorcycle, too.
00:40:35.853 --> 00:40:36.164
Yeah.
00:40:36.213 --> 00:40:37.043
It was a great bike.
00:40:37.083 --> 00:40:37.893
One of my favorites.
00:40:38.244 --> 00:40:50.949
Um, but I had been, I had been following this band called Peak to Peak, Okay, and they were a local grateful dead tribute band and they had this monster guitar player in that band called matlin and being Uh being a guitar player.
00:40:50.949 --> 00:40:54.099
I just was instantly attracted to I was like, holy moly.
00:40:54.099 --> 00:40:55.949
This this is legit This guy's a beast.
00:40:56.298 --> 00:41:06.458
Yeah, and so But he was a very busy guy Yeah, and I had like I had been lingering around hoping that they might ask me to fill in sometimes Right, but I was way down the list.
00:41:06.458 --> 00:41:07.728
I'm like number six, right?
00:41:07.929 --> 00:41:08.628
So right.
00:41:08.708 --> 00:41:15.639
Well, they had said yes You And I was supposed to play with them on this big giant stage down in Longmont.
00:41:15.818 --> 00:41:16.068
Okay.
00:41:16.119 --> 00:41:19.278
I had worked and worked and worked to learn all this Grateful Dead music.
00:41:19.748 --> 00:41:21.798
And that was going to be August 1st.
00:41:22.338 --> 00:41:30.119
On July 30th, I was riding home and this guy on his phone turned left in front of me and Stuck his bumper through my leg at 30 miles an hour.
00:41:30.498 --> 00:41:31.668
I missed my opportunity.
00:41:31.668 --> 00:41:32.708
I was so sad.
00:41:32.739 --> 00:41:34.898
Like, tell me, tell me about that.
00:41:34.929 --> 00:41:38.418
If you're, I imagine you have like a videotape of that moment.
00:41:38.429 --> 00:41:38.768
Yeah.
00:41:38.768 --> 00:41:39.469
I'll never forget.
00:41:39.469 --> 00:41:40.219
I never was out.
00:41:40.579 --> 00:41:48.079
I'll never, I missed a, I missed a fond ear, uh, going about 70 miles an hour by by 30 inches.
00:41:48.079 --> 00:41:48.298
Yeah.
00:41:48.298 --> 00:41:49.858
I mean, life just happens all the time.
00:41:49.869 --> 00:41:50.739
I mean, life just happens.
00:41:50.759 --> 00:41:52.628
Whether you are a mountain biker, I had a buddy.
00:41:52.628 --> 00:41:53.498
I'm on his bicycle.
00:41:54.003 --> 00:42:23.748
Yeah, who hit a rock or he actually doesn't even really know it like 40 miles an hour coming down hill wiped and yeah It's spent months in the hospital brain day You know, it's like it just happens if you if you if you live your life You just have to mitigate the risk and that's just the deal You know, I'm gonna always come to the were you speeding or you know, it's 55 60 miles an hour I was going up Taft Hill now the place where I got hit There's a light who sucks because there would have been a light this dumb kid would never have been Oh, so he just, like, you just didn't, you got a single headlight, he didn't see your single headlight.
00:42:23.748 --> 00:42:24.338
Dude, there was six of us.
00:42:24.699 --> 00:42:25.259
Oh, sh*t.
00:42:25.309 --> 00:42:26.268
Yeah, six of us.
00:42:26.268 --> 00:42:27.429
The kid is just so dumb.
00:42:27.619 --> 00:42:29.668
I mean, just dumb, just dumb and unlucky.
00:42:29.994 --> 00:42:30.824
Distracted.
00:42:30.853 --> 00:42:32.153
He's a 30 year old kid.
00:42:32.713 --> 00:42:34.233
Well, get off your phone when you're turning at least.
00:42:34.233 --> 00:42:34.983
I mean, serious.
00:42:34.983 --> 00:42:36.963
So, I was going north on Taft Hill.
00:42:37.043 --> 00:42:37.324
Okay.
00:42:37.324 --> 00:42:41.713
He was sitting in the turn lane to go left on Trilby.
00:42:42.864 --> 00:42:44.864
And we were just all coming like you do all day.
00:42:44.884 --> 00:42:46.034
Like you've done for 20 years.
00:42:46.043 --> 00:42:46.423
Yeah.
00:42:46.554 --> 00:42:49.003
And right as we were getting, he just went.
00:42:49.853 --> 00:42:50.414
He just went.
00:42:50.423 --> 00:42:52.079
I couldn't, I remember thinking to myself.
00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:54.469
Why did you do that?
00:42:54.789 --> 00:42:58.728
And then he looked up and tried to turn to get out of the way.
00:42:59.079 --> 00:42:59.309
Right.
00:42:59.349 --> 00:43:01.259
And my knee caught his bumper.
00:43:01.268 --> 00:43:02.628
My left knee caught his bumper.
00:43:03.309 --> 00:43:04.018
It was brutal.
00:43:04.079 --> 00:43:05.059
It just exploded.
00:43:05.059 --> 00:43:06.498
It just exploded.
00:43:06.679 --> 00:43:07.688
I can see your scars.
00:43:07.688 --> 00:43:08.009
Yeah.
00:43:08.278 --> 00:43:10.768
So that's actually, this right here is actually my thigh.
00:43:11.068 --> 00:43:12.219
I'll tell you a bit about that too.
00:43:12.559 --> 00:43:16.978
So I go blasting, you know, over, end, over, end, over, end, like you do.
00:43:17.009 --> 00:43:19.298
You see land down in the ditch.
00:43:20.068 --> 00:43:22.378
I'm just laying there like totally panicked.
00:43:22.398 --> 00:43:23.509
Did he hit anybody else?
00:43:23.909 --> 00:43:27.929
Well, so one of my buddies, you know what a low side versus high side is?
00:43:27.969 --> 00:43:28.239
Yeah.
00:43:28.289 --> 00:43:28.548
Yeah.
00:43:28.548 --> 00:43:34.858
So for those of you who don't motorcycle, if you slide and your bike just slides out from underneath you, that's called the low side.
00:43:35.469 --> 00:43:52.648
But if you sometimes you can get your back tire to squirrel and then it catches and it can fling you literally fling you So my buddy Joey low sided and skidded skidded out kind of and then my buddy Dan High sided bumped him and he came down on his head and got a gnarly concussion.
00:43:52.659 --> 00:43:55.679
Oh, but we all wear helmets We're all that kind of writer.
00:43:55.679 --> 00:44:00.219
So right Riding far enough apart from each other and yeah, just enough just but it was just again.
00:44:00.219 --> 00:44:00.998
We were all right.
00:44:01.028 --> 00:44:06.708
We were in the intersection Anytime so crazy is crazy.
00:44:06.708 --> 00:44:09.528
It's just so avoidable so avoidable, right?
00:44:09.759 --> 00:44:13.048
He says he says he didn't he was uh, he's an exchange student.
00:44:13.079 --> 00:44:19.119
I want him and we don't get too much debt But yeah, he says he thought he had the weed Thought we were turning and we had the right of way.
00:44:19.268 --> 00:44:21.143
It was all BS, It was just all bs.
00:44:21.143 --> 00:44:22.929
We were going straight on a straight road, dude.
00:44:22.929 --> 00:44:23.139
I know.
00:44:23.139 --> 00:44:23.889
It was really tough.
00:44:23.918 --> 00:44:24.789
Oh, wild.
00:44:24.818 --> 00:44:24.998
Yeah.
00:44:24.998 --> 00:44:26.018
So you, so anyway, yeah.
00:44:26.018 --> 00:44:27.849
So, so you're in the hos or Yeah.
00:44:27.853 --> 00:44:29.528
So you're, so, yeah, so I'm on the side of the road.
00:44:29.534 --> 00:44:29.588
Yeah.
00:44:29.588 --> 00:44:35.829
Basically like, you know, I'd never experienced anything like this and, and, uh, this guy comes running across the street who was going south.
00:44:36.628 --> 00:44:37.358
Help me work.
00:44:37.358 --> 00:44:39.778
You know, it's like I just I wasn't sure if I was dying.
00:44:39.778 --> 00:44:41.489
I didn't know it was my spine sticking out.
00:44:42.809 --> 00:44:43.659
So he looked me over.
00:44:43.659 --> 00:44:45.338
He was like, man, I think you're gonna be okay, dude.
00:44:45.338 --> 00:44:46.378
He's like, but don't look at it.
00:44:46.378 --> 00:44:47.438
It's gnarly.
00:44:47.929 --> 00:44:50.798
So, you know, once I realized I wasn't gonna die.
00:44:50.858 --> 00:44:51.478
No, it's fine.
00:44:51.518 --> 00:44:52.909
I laugh as a nervous response.
00:44:53.139 --> 00:44:54.472
Not because I think it's funny.
00:44:54.472 --> 00:44:57.219
When I tell the story, it's kind of funny because he was really a great guy.
00:44:57.259 --> 00:44:57.608
Right?
00:44:57.639 --> 00:45:01.179
He, um, Yeah, he came running over and was like, Hey, I got some military training.
00:45:01.179 --> 00:45:02.068
I'm going to sit with you.
00:45:02.409 --> 00:45:02.688
Okay.
00:45:02.699 --> 00:45:03.719
We already called the ambulance.
00:45:03.719 --> 00:45:04.768
My wife is in the car.
00:45:05.409 --> 00:45:09.739
And so I just, I didn't know what else to say, but I asked him, I was like, Am I dying?
00:45:10.228 --> 00:45:19.498
If you can tell me that if you got some training and he like looked me over, he was like, I don't think so, bro, but don't look at it because my leg was just, it was just disintegrate.
00:45:19.509 --> 00:45:20.409
There's nothing left here.
00:45:20.409 --> 00:45:22.358
It is flopped everywhere.
00:45:22.369 --> 00:45:24.438
You got pretty full used back.
00:45:24.438 --> 00:45:25.289
Or can you run?
00:45:25.389 --> 00:45:27.579
Can you, no, I'll never do those in my ski days.
00:45:27.639 --> 00:45:28.469
My running days.
00:45:28.498 --> 00:45:31.309
Um, uh, my doctor that did the knee replacement though.
00:45:31.728 --> 00:45:32.329
He was great.
00:45:32.329 --> 00:45:33.248
I'll give a shout out to him.
00:45:33.248 --> 00:45:35.818
And Kirk, Kirk Kinsfodder, he saved it.
00:45:36.923 --> 00:45:41.264
I mean, he, he doesn't know, he doesn't realize, but you know, I just told you about my life, right?
00:45:41.284 --> 00:45:43.143
It was, it was on the a game.
00:45:43.554 --> 00:45:44.523
I was raging.
00:45:44.523 --> 00:45:46.523
I was developing this life.
00:45:46.523 --> 00:45:49.043
I had waited for everything.
00:45:49.173 --> 00:45:53.353
I mean, it was just really was, and I felt robbed.
00:45:53.434 --> 00:45:54.634
I mean, I really felt robbed.
00:45:54.653 --> 00:45:58.143
I mean, it's easy for me to live with gratitude and realize people have it worse than me.
00:45:58.143 --> 00:45:59.253
And I don't try to compare.
00:45:59.579 --> 00:46:07.028
But I felt I was robbed, and it was hard for me, and I don't deal with like depression very well, I don't really experience it.
00:46:07.119 --> 00:46:12.259
For me, most of the bad things that have happened to me in my life have been my own damn fault.
00:46:12.329 --> 00:46:19.139
Right, this was just super unfair, and I'm like, I'm a dad, like I raised my kids reminding them life is not fair.
00:46:19.188 --> 00:46:19.509
Right.
00:46:19.539 --> 00:46:23.668
You know, and so I just was like, this is not fair, I have all, the bills all went to me.
00:46:24.293 --> 00:46:24.784
Everything.
00:46:24.784 --> 00:46:26.284
It's such a skewed system.
00:46:26.284 --> 00:46:26.784
Actually.
00:46:26.824 --> 00:46:27.324
Really?
00:46:27.324 --> 00:46:29.244
Did he have insurance on this car?
00:46:29.273 --> 00:46:30.233
He had the state minimum.
00:46:30.273 --> 00:46:32.434
You're allowed to ride, drive around with 25, 000.
00:46:32.483 --> 00:46:41.384
That's here's my recommendation for any listener get under insured motorist on your end because the state, nobody has it anymore.
00:46:41.784 --> 00:46:43.094
25, 000.
00:46:43.094 --> 00:46:49.083
He had 50 so I took 25 and he split the other 25 between the other two guys.
00:46:49.164 --> 00:46:49.773
Wow.
00:46:49.934 --> 00:46:50.713
And it was like that.
00:46:50.724 --> 00:46:51.224
Here you go.
00:46:52.023 --> 00:46:52.864
Which did nothing.
00:46:53.373 --> 00:46:54.454
I mean, it just does nothing.
00:46:54.884 --> 00:46:57.628
Two days in the hospital, you're 25, 000.
00:46:57.628 --> 00:46:57.773
Yeah.
00:46:57.773 --> 00:47:00.353
My total bills were over 900, 000.
00:47:00.463 --> 00:47:01.983
So did you have to go bankrupt for that?
00:47:02.063 --> 00:47:02.704
I did not.
00:47:02.773 --> 00:47:11.034
The state of Colorado jumped in with the thing called Medicaid and really, really did, did, did a fabulous job, which is what everybody should have anyway.
00:47:11.034 --> 00:47:16.293
I mean, we don't need to get into the politics of insurance, but it's what everybody, it's what everybody ought to have.
00:47:16.324 --> 00:47:17.164
Everybody's entitled.
00:47:17.164 --> 00:47:17.954
Some kind of a safety net.
00:47:17.954 --> 00:47:19.893
I mean, it was just BS.
00:47:20.373 --> 00:47:23.523
I remember talking to the judge, the judge even was like, this sucks.
00:47:23.523 --> 00:47:31.713
I mean, she gave him a 600 and a 250 fine failure to yield and reckless driving or misuse of the lane.
00:47:31.733 --> 00:47:33.193
And that's all she's allowed to give him.
00:47:33.353 --> 00:47:33.954
Oh my God.
00:47:34.003 --> 00:47:34.884
And I'm sitting there.
00:47:34.884 --> 00:47:36.494
I was like, are you freaking kidding me?
00:47:36.494 --> 00:47:38.063
I mean, freak.
00:47:38.123 --> 00:47:38.463
Yeah.
00:47:38.463 --> 00:47:38.804
So.
00:47:39.213 --> 00:47:40.273
Not homicide.
00:47:40.273 --> 00:47:42.403
Yeah, you know, you can kill somebody with a car.
00:47:42.414 --> 00:47:45.713
Hell, you should kill him and it's like it's an accident, right?
00:47:45.873 --> 00:47:48.184
Unless you're doing it on purpose or he's drinking, right?
00:47:48.224 --> 00:47:48.858
I guess so, huh?
00:47:48.858 --> 00:47:53.583
So phones don't phones don't fall in that category while drinking and drugs, right?
00:47:53.594 --> 00:48:01.048
He'd be done for Yeah, I feel like But you can Phones are the ones you look around I'm probably a lot more dangerous when I'm f*cking around on my phone than if I've had two beers.
00:48:01.268 --> 00:48:03.458
All the Absolutely, you are.
00:48:03.458 --> 00:48:03.768
I know.
00:48:03.768 --> 00:48:08.969
It'd be so easy, I feel like, if any phone company just put a thing that when the phone's going over five miles an hour Right.
00:48:09.028 --> 00:48:09.728
It shuts off.
00:48:10.398 --> 00:48:11.789
Well, what about the passenger though?
00:48:11.798 --> 00:48:12.349
f*ck them.
00:48:12.458 --> 00:48:14.369
Well, but they want to play music on the thing.
00:48:14.929 --> 00:48:17.978
Maybe some apps work, right?
00:48:18.119 --> 00:48:19.918
But no texting, no phones.
00:48:19.918 --> 00:48:20.958
Like, I don't know.
00:48:21.018 --> 00:48:21.358
I don't know.
00:48:21.358 --> 00:48:22.838
There's, I feel like there's a way around it anyway.
00:48:22.869 --> 00:48:25.398
I'll probably be the advocate for that for the rest of my life.
00:48:25.929 --> 00:48:31.809
But anyway, well do, I mean, that's, I mean, honestly, you're a real life case of distracted driving.
00:48:32.059 --> 00:48:32.998
So shame on you.
00:48:33.009 --> 00:48:36.889
Anybody that's out there listening that regularly text your daughter just real quick.
00:48:36.898 --> 00:48:37.048
Yeah.
00:48:37.048 --> 00:48:39.278
Don't just, just wait, just change, you know, pull off.
00:48:40.684 --> 00:48:43.673
Yeah, if it's that important, then pull over, but it's just not worth it.
00:48:43.733 --> 00:48:44.543
It's just not that worth it.
00:48:44.543 --> 00:48:47.043
You know, it could be somebody else's daughter that you kill.
00:48:47.123 --> 00:48:49.853
Well, and motorcyclists are especially vulnerable.
00:48:49.983 --> 00:48:50.543
They sure are.
00:48:50.583 --> 00:48:55.059
Um, Do you want to, Oh, we'll, we'll, we'll get back to motorcycles.
00:48:55.869 --> 00:48:57.628
We'll make that one of our categories again.
00:48:58.088 --> 00:49:00.719
Um, so you get derailed, right?
00:49:00.739 --> 00:49:02.878
Like, so you're, how many months?
00:49:02.909 --> 00:49:03.858
So let's go back to that.
00:49:03.858 --> 00:49:04.079
Yeah.
00:49:04.079 --> 00:49:05.878
So well, then COVID happened, right?
00:49:05.969 --> 00:49:08.829
So, well, COVID was before this is 2021.
00:49:08.998 --> 00:49:12.949
So COVID had just ended and I'm just restarting.
00:49:12.949 --> 00:49:19.528
Everybody's restarting and then everybody's restarting and max goes down for two years.
00:49:20.148 --> 00:49:21.278
Two full years.
00:49:21.278 --> 00:49:29.409
It was, it was two, two months in the hospital and then months and months and months and months at home in this fixator.
00:49:29.719 --> 00:49:36.639
And then, and then I got left with this leg, a totally useless leg at the time.
00:49:36.918 --> 00:49:40.099
I didn't know my not my doctor at the time was very negligent.
00:49:40.248 --> 00:49:41.969
I did not know you could have the original doctor.
00:49:43.594 --> 00:50:04.534
And I was just doing the thing he told me to do he's like that's your leg You better learn how to use it and I was going to physical therapy torturing myself All the time trying to get it on a bone that wasn't stable and it was totally rotting It was just grinding itself to pieces So finally, so finally I played a gig new year's I want to say it must have been 2023.
00:50:04.653 --> 00:50:09.713
Okay, and I was told my girlfriend I was like I I can't live this way.
00:50:09.903 --> 00:50:16.869
Yeah, I can't do it I mean I gave it the old college try but I either have to have somebody do something, or I just have to remove the leg.
00:50:16.909 --> 00:50:17.809
I can't live my life.
00:50:17.809 --> 00:50:18.708
It was so much pain.
00:50:18.728 --> 00:50:22.278
When you're in pain, I have a whole new Were you on opiates and stuff?
00:50:22.338 --> 00:50:23.239
I hate that stuff.
00:50:23.239 --> 00:50:24.588
I don't take it.
00:50:24.588 --> 00:50:25.619
They gave it to me.
00:50:25.619 --> 00:50:27.188
I still have tons of it, but I don't ever take it.
00:50:27.188 --> 00:50:27.798
I didn't like it.
00:50:28.219 --> 00:50:35.358
It makes you foggy and makes you Sometimes you gotta take it just to not experience the pain, but You couldn't live that way.
00:50:35.378 --> 00:50:36.608
No, you can't live that way.
00:50:36.858 --> 00:50:47.353
And people who live in pain Life is just very different than you and I, I mean, I have so much kudos and so much empathy for anybody because of the two years I had to deal with it.
00:50:47.713 --> 00:50:48.884
I was a very different.
00:50:48.884 --> 00:50:50.983
I was very different.
00:50:51.123 --> 00:50:53.364
You cannot find flow in your life.
00:50:54.153 --> 00:50:56.353
Every second, every step you are.
00:50:56.353 --> 00:50:57.963
I am shocked back with pain.
00:50:57.963 --> 00:51:00.923
So it was just, I did, I did the best I could.
00:51:00.923 --> 00:51:02.664
I tried to get music started again.
00:51:03.583 --> 00:51:04.324
Peak to peak.
00:51:04.909 --> 00:51:05.878
I'll get into that story.
00:51:05.878 --> 00:51:08.878
But, um, those two guitar players eventually moved.
00:51:09.309 --> 00:51:09.639
Okay.
00:51:09.688 --> 00:51:15.838
They did ask me to just give it a try to, can I, could I help revive this band in a different fashion?
00:51:15.918 --> 00:51:18.938
And I did it, but the whole time I'm dealing with this.
00:51:19.148 --> 00:51:20.619
I mean, those guys were so kind to me, man.
00:51:20.619 --> 00:51:21.818
They helped me carry my gear.
00:51:22.148 --> 00:51:25.389
It was very, very, very, people's really showed up for me in those two years.
00:51:25.409 --> 00:51:30.949
And finally, after that new year show, I made a couple of appointments with different doctors.
00:51:30.949 --> 00:51:33.009
I went to my amazing plastic surgeon.
00:51:33.798 --> 00:51:34.889
Yeah, what happened to your thigh here?
00:51:35.268 --> 00:51:36.668
So there was nothing left here.
00:51:36.829 --> 00:51:39.099
Oh, so they had to take some of that skin.
00:51:39.099 --> 00:51:41.048
It's called microvascular surgery.
00:51:41.048 --> 00:51:43.728
It was 16 hours under.
00:51:44.028 --> 00:51:51.878
So they cut out all the muscle, and he laid it across, and then he trims it to fit, and then he goes in with like a camera on a big iPad screen.
00:51:51.878 --> 00:51:54.849
So they move muscle from your thigh over to your knee.
00:51:54.858 --> 00:51:56.088
And he stitches one vessel at a time.
00:51:56.728 --> 00:51:57.588
Unbelievable.
00:51:57.648 --> 00:51:59.728
Is this the beginning or this is when you went back?
00:51:59.748 --> 00:52:01.039
That is my fourth surgery.
00:52:01.088 --> 00:52:02.139
Oh, this is in the beginning.
00:52:02.139 --> 00:52:05.628
So I went to that doctor and said, what can I do, man?
00:52:05.628 --> 00:52:06.509
I'm, I'm dying here.
00:52:06.509 --> 00:52:13.208
I can't, he was like, let me, let me, I worked with a doctor in Denver and let me get you, let me get you an appointment with him.
00:52:13.588 --> 00:52:15.918
Cause my doctor was, he's just not cutting it.
00:52:16.099 --> 00:52:17.958
He wasn't, he wasn't interested in helping me.
00:52:18.018 --> 00:52:18.329
Yeah.
00:52:18.608 --> 00:52:19.659
And so it was too hard.
00:52:20.168 --> 00:52:20.418
Yeah.
00:52:20.418 --> 00:52:21.239
It wasn't what he was doing.
00:52:21.248 --> 00:52:22.009
He didn't want to do it.
00:52:22.259 --> 00:52:25.929
And so, um, I go to Denver, but I also went to see.
00:52:26.643 --> 00:52:34.333
In, in the, in the defense of that bad doctor, he did finally at the end when I realized I was like, I need something else.
00:52:34.333 --> 00:52:35.494
He was like, I'm not doing it.
00:52:36.333 --> 00:52:38.693
But let me, let me refer you to this guy.
00:52:38.704 --> 00:52:40.684
I know that I think might do it.
00:52:41.253 --> 00:52:43.204
And so he referred me to Kirk Kinsfodder.
00:52:43.324 --> 00:52:43.713
Okay.
00:52:43.833 --> 00:52:45.773
And I went to the Denver guy, both at the same time.
00:52:47.023 --> 00:52:48.914
And the, the, it was awful.
00:52:48.963 --> 00:52:51.713
I mean, it was literally, it was everything I did not want to hear.
00:52:51.824 --> 00:52:53.643
The bone, the bone was on bone.
00:52:53.793 --> 00:52:58.034
It was grinding and it was creating its own, um, what's it called?
00:52:58.034 --> 00:53:01.494
When your body attacks itself, you know, what's it called?
00:53:01.543 --> 00:53:02.463
Immune response.
00:53:02.474 --> 00:53:02.963
Yeah.
00:53:03.204 --> 00:53:04.494
Um, autoimmune.
00:53:04.603 --> 00:53:04.864
Yeah.
00:53:04.893 --> 00:53:06.634
When the people like their body attacks itself.
00:53:06.634 --> 00:53:10.353
Oh, so basically every step there was bone grinding.
00:53:10.353 --> 00:53:12.563
And so my body was shooting protein and stuff.
00:53:12.563 --> 00:53:12.579
Yeah.
00:53:14.289 --> 00:53:16.818
It was so much that it was eating the bone away.
00:53:16.918 --> 00:53:17.278
Wow.
00:53:17.338 --> 00:53:17.759
I know.
00:53:17.809 --> 00:53:20.568
I was like, I was, and nobody, nobody knew.
00:53:20.599 --> 00:53:20.969
I'm here.
00:53:20.969 --> 00:53:22.128
I am going to physical therapy.
00:53:22.318 --> 00:53:22.588
Right.
00:53:22.608 --> 00:53:24.528
My doctor's telling me you got to work a little harder.
00:53:24.528 --> 00:53:25.789
Gotta keep working a little harder.
00:53:25.789 --> 00:53:29.728
The more harder you work, the more you grind yourself into a rotten pulp.
00:53:29.739 --> 00:53:34.429
So I go to this doctor and he says, I have to open you up.
00:53:35.119 --> 00:53:36.688
I got to cut away all the bone.
00:53:37.208 --> 00:53:39.579
I have to immobilize you again.
00:53:40.208 --> 00:53:48.449
I had already, I mean, they had been cranking on my knee for a year and a half of trying to get my range back, which was a horrifying pain, three days a week.
00:53:48.998 --> 00:54:11.458
So he tells me, I gotta mobilize you for two months, you're gonna lose all the range you got, then we're gonna open you back up again, take out these blocks that he was gonna put in there with antibiotics, and then potentially, if that worked, we're Then he would make a decision to either remove my leg or give me the fake knee if the, if it had gotten better.
00:54:11.478 --> 00:54:11.918
Whoa.
00:54:12.648 --> 00:54:13.599
Starting all over again.
00:54:13.639 --> 00:54:15.048
I just was horrified.
00:54:15.079 --> 00:54:17.088
So then I go up to Fort Collins.
00:54:17.139 --> 00:54:18.498
I'm up here at Kirkkin's Fodders.
00:54:18.679 --> 00:54:18.929
Okay.
00:54:19.018 --> 00:54:22.668
And he basically said, he's like, listen, that guy, he's not wrong.
00:54:22.998 --> 00:54:24.268
I, he pulled fluid out.
00:54:24.739 --> 00:54:26.259
He was like, you're, it's a mess in there.
00:54:26.259 --> 00:54:26.588
It was pretty nappy.
00:54:26.619 --> 00:54:26.909
Yeah.
00:54:26.929 --> 00:54:30.278
So he was like, so basically what I decided, which I'm so glad.
00:54:30.278 --> 00:54:31.929
That's like the one thing that I just got right.
00:54:32.318 --> 00:54:47.989
Was I went with Kirk Kinsfodder and I basically had to sign off on Potentially remove my leg Potentially add a new knee but very good chance that he was gonna have to do the block as well And I'll just start over.
00:54:48.068 --> 00:55:03.784
All right, but he was like You got to sign these Because I'm gonna bring the knee If it were if I think that it's not too polluted in there I'm gonna try and put it in if I think the bone will even take it But there was so much damage now and he had to cut away so much.
00:55:04.864 --> 00:55:09.114
So anyway, I go in, I go under, I know, right?
00:55:09.143 --> 00:55:09.916
I was pretty intense.
00:55:09.916 --> 00:55:11.043
I'd like to put my chair.
00:55:11.043 --> 00:55:18.463
So I, I, I wake up, they had called my head that I had my daughter on call because she had to make the final say.
00:55:19.143 --> 00:55:21.963
It was like, he called her and said, we're taking the knee off.
00:55:22.003 --> 00:55:25.864
She had, we had already been prepped for her to say, yeah, do what you think is best.
00:55:25.864 --> 00:55:26.753
You know, all that stuff.
00:55:26.753 --> 00:55:34.764
So I went under without really knowing what was going to happen except that the good chance he was saying, listen, like it would take a lot to remove your leg.
00:55:34.804 --> 00:55:35.063
Right.
00:55:35.063 --> 00:55:40.623
He was like, it's, I do have to, I do have to do it, but he was like, cause I can always do the block thing.
00:55:40.958 --> 00:55:42.398
And then you're just going to start that way.
00:55:42.398 --> 00:55:44.059
So while they were under, thank you.
00:55:44.568 --> 00:55:46.798
While they were under, Kurt's filling up my wine.
00:55:46.798 --> 00:55:49.449
That's why I said, thank you to all the people who can't see.
00:55:50.108 --> 00:56:02.018
Um, he just was like, listen, he and his aides were like, if we do this block, this guy's got five surgeries to go again, and that was already on number 11 and another starting over again.
00:56:02.018 --> 00:56:08.103
So he was like, let's just put the knee in because if it doesn't take Then we can cut it off.
00:56:08.103 --> 00:56:10.293
It's either way, it's like.
00:56:10.304 --> 00:56:12.804
So instead of doing the block thing and the way the antibiotics.
00:56:12.804 --> 00:56:19.023
Dude, so I freaking wake up and you have, everything in my life literally changed.
00:56:19.034 --> 00:56:20.134
You can just like move your knee.
00:56:20.193 --> 00:56:26.764
I cannot, I mean I cannot ever stress what I was talking about before about, about no flow in your life.
00:56:26.764 --> 00:56:27.574
Living in pain.
00:56:27.903 --> 00:56:28.094
Right.
00:56:28.143 --> 00:56:34.463
And waking up and having it, there's a video on Facebook of me on the day I woke up.
00:56:35.114 --> 00:56:36.454
They get, they get me up.
00:56:37.074 --> 00:56:40.733
And I am moving around and they were like, I was like, I'm ready to go.
00:56:40.733 --> 00:56:43.014
And they were like, you better just put the brakes here, chief.
00:56:43.543 --> 00:56:47.253
But they just had no idea that for so long, I had not walked.
00:56:47.253 --> 00:56:48.954
I had not, I could, I'd walked with a cane.
00:56:48.954 --> 00:56:49.494
I mean, it was just.
00:56:50.259 --> 00:56:52.088
It was just, I tried to explain.
00:56:52.088 --> 00:56:55.088
As you were trying to be a musician still, you're like walking around.
00:56:55.239 --> 00:56:57.009
Sitting down, I sat for most of the gigs.
00:56:57.028 --> 00:56:57.518
Right.
00:56:57.568 --> 00:56:59.858
And still then, your leg just, it was just awful.
00:56:59.858 --> 00:57:00.338
It never.
00:57:00.349 --> 00:57:01.228
Just cramping and painful.
00:57:01.228 --> 00:57:02.789
It was just terrible.
00:57:02.929 --> 00:57:03.369
Oh my god.
00:57:03.648 --> 00:57:04.088
I would move it.
00:57:04.088 --> 00:57:06.608
And just, and just, I would be like what's happening?
00:57:06.608 --> 00:57:14.998
Well I have to think the temptation was there to like, You know, if one glass of bourbon is good, three glasses of bourbon is, my knee doesn't hurt as much.
00:57:15.349 --> 00:57:19.518
Or whatever, or whatever you're, like, applaud you for not falling into that.
00:57:19.518 --> 00:57:21.798
Yeah, I think I was more of a Tylenol or Advil guy.
00:57:21.809 --> 00:57:22.929
Maybe, yeah, whatever.
00:57:22.969 --> 00:57:34.713
I did have these little five milligram oxys, that if I just took that and didn't touch anything else, it was mostly Pain sedative, but it's always messes with you, but don't mess with other things.
00:57:34.724 --> 00:57:54.224
No, I'd be a drooping mess I've never really gotten into the like Oxys and all any of that kind of stuff like even in when I was experimental in college I still yeah, I've never been a big I've never been just a big I like honestly, I just like being me Yeah, so another alternate version of me has never been there.
00:57:54.224 --> 00:58:03.744
Yeah, I was never a good weed smoker um You Anything that makes me weird and strange and not me, then I just never really, I never very much enjoy it.
00:58:03.744 --> 00:58:05.873
I do, I enjoy like, you know, a couple glasses of wine.
00:58:05.903 --> 00:58:06.164
Yeah.
00:58:06.594 --> 00:58:07.083
Or something.
00:58:07.094 --> 00:58:14.304
My, my neighbor and I had like way over half of a black box, like maybe three bottles of wine during a podcast a couple weeks ago.
00:58:15.369 --> 00:58:16.248
And it was pretty silly.
00:58:16.289 --> 00:58:19.438
Like we both called our wives and played ping pong afterwards.
00:58:19.489 --> 00:58:20.688
And they were like, you guys are so drunk.
00:58:20.688 --> 00:58:21.949
And it was like, yes, we are.
00:58:21.958 --> 00:58:22.389
That's good.
00:58:22.858 --> 00:58:27.818
I mean, sometimes it's fun to just like turn off the, the stop nozzle a little bit, you know?
00:58:27.829 --> 00:58:31.179
Well, when I asked him about being on the show, he was like, can we get drunk on wine?
00:58:31.188 --> 00:58:31.548
Yeah.
00:58:31.619 --> 00:58:32.168
I'm the worst.
00:58:32.539 --> 00:58:33.918
I'm like, I'm like the worst.
00:58:34.228 --> 00:58:38.059
I'm like, we walked home, you know, I'm, I'm the anti fun guitar player.
00:58:38.219 --> 00:58:38.548
Really?
00:58:38.548 --> 00:58:40.739
You know, I've never done the thing I've never done.
00:58:41.119 --> 00:58:42.108
I see guys who just like.
00:58:42.614 --> 00:58:44.353
You know all through the 70s.
00:58:44.353 --> 00:58:46.364
Those guys are just wasted or on sure.
00:58:46.523 --> 00:58:50.773
I mean, it's the wrong right and I just I can't do it I cannot do it.
00:58:50.914 --> 00:58:55.824
I can't I barely even drink That's probably why you have a good music career because you know, it's like the best co*ke dealer.
00:58:55.853 --> 00:59:00.503
Don't do a bunch of co*ke No, you know He's probably is exactly partners.
00:59:00.503 --> 00:59:09.724
Don't do a bunch of party So anyway, anyways, yeah get this so I get the new life I wake up with a new knee and literally a f*cking new life I'm not even kidding you.
00:59:09.724 --> 00:59:13.143
It's just like I tried to explain that to him You Cause he just does this, right?
00:59:13.143 --> 00:59:13.873
He's just cranking out.
00:59:15.914 --> 00:59:22.744
I'll never be able to actually make him understand, like, the difference in the life that he gave me back, you know?
00:59:22.963 --> 00:59:25.213
And so, yeah, I went to rehab again.
00:59:26.074 --> 00:59:28.284
So, basically, it's like And when is this?
00:59:28.284 --> 00:59:29.373
Can you timeline me here?
00:59:29.423 --> 00:59:31.494
Yeah, this was one year ago, June.
00:59:31.494 --> 00:59:33.193
It just passed in one year with the new knee.
00:59:33.333 --> 00:59:33.563
Okay.
00:59:33.753 --> 00:59:48.884
So, basically, in my leg is like The bottom knuckle sits down like this and then there's the one on top of my tibia Yeah, and there's a big bearing in the middle and it rotates like this interesting and then the bottom plate shifts That's how I get movement.
00:59:48.903 --> 00:59:49.713
Cause this doesn't move.
00:59:49.713 --> 00:59:50.364
Oh, so you can rotate.
00:59:50.414 --> 00:59:52.623
So I can actually rotate.
00:59:52.733 --> 00:59:54.103
But there's bump stops in there.
00:59:54.204 --> 00:59:54.583
Nice.
00:59:54.873 --> 00:59:56.384
Which is wacky to feel it.
00:59:56.384 --> 00:59:59.713
You know, it'll never will ever feel like this knee.
00:59:59.873 --> 01:00:00.833
Right, right, right.
01:00:00.844 --> 01:00:01.153
But it.
01:00:01.213 --> 01:00:02.284
You're not going to play ultimate frisbee.
01:00:02.304 --> 01:00:04.443
I went freaking paddle boarding today with my kids.
01:00:04.514 --> 01:00:04.873
Right.
01:00:04.954 --> 01:00:06.653
First time this year is the first time.
01:00:06.653 --> 01:00:07.724
I love paddle boarding.
01:00:07.724 --> 01:00:08.893
I used to go five days a week.
01:00:09.338 --> 01:00:12.108
And this is the first time this year that I could stand up.
01:00:12.148 --> 01:00:12.579
Nice.
01:00:12.628 --> 01:00:16.659
I would try to go out there and flail with my bad leg and it was terrible.
01:00:16.659 --> 01:00:20.628
And so this year my daughter Sophia was like, is this is your first year standing up again?
01:00:20.628 --> 01:00:21.628
I was like, you bet.
01:00:21.628 --> 01:00:22.219
I'm never sitting down.
01:00:22.239 --> 01:00:30.364
Oh, what a, I mean, all of these first things, but, but what a fresh, Blessing on the world.
01:00:30.364 --> 01:00:36.083
Like every day is grateful after something like that, you dig into a new, you're ready for a handicap parking for the rest of your life.
01:00:36.253 --> 01:00:38.353
And you probably still have it right now, huh?
01:00:38.423 --> 01:00:41.304
I have, it expires actually get one more time.
01:00:41.403 --> 01:00:42.014
I know.
01:00:42.733 --> 01:00:43.514
I don't really need it.
01:00:44.003 --> 01:00:45.634
I'm definitely probably abusing it.
01:00:45.634 --> 01:00:46.054
It's nice.
01:00:46.083 --> 01:00:52.474
Well, but sometimes when there's six parking spots that are open up front and they're all open, like I think a libertarian should feel better.
01:00:52.898 --> 01:00:54.498
Like, they should be able to park it.
01:00:54.498 --> 01:00:55.579
Listen, I f*ckin earned it.
01:00:55.708 --> 01:00:56.159
Right?
01:00:56.199 --> 01:00:56.798
Hell yeah you did.
01:00:56.798 --> 01:00:58.148
I earned it.
01:00:58.148 --> 01:00:58.978
I think I have it until September.
01:00:58.978 --> 01:00:59.809
I think so.
01:01:00.239 --> 01:01:01.148
September it's over, so.
01:01:01.148 --> 01:01:01.869
Do it for life.
01:01:01.869 --> 01:01:02.148
Yeah.
01:01:02.179 --> 01:01:04.838
Like, just keep, uh, lying on the form or whatever.
01:01:04.838 --> 01:01:06.119
I don't know, how do you have to prove that?
01:01:06.128 --> 01:01:06.148
Yeah.
01:01:06.179 --> 01:01:11.099
Well, even this, even today we got to the, we got to the, uh, paddle boarding spot.
01:01:11.298 --> 01:01:11.509
Yeah.
01:01:11.568 --> 01:01:13.708
And there was an open spot.
01:01:13.708 --> 01:01:14.579
But I didn't take it.
01:01:14.809 --> 01:01:15.539
I went and parked.
01:01:15.759 --> 01:01:20.449
But then, there was no more other parking and there was like six people just trying to find a place to park.
01:01:20.449 --> 01:01:21.059
So, I actually was like.
01:01:21.528 --> 01:01:23.139
I'm just gonna take the, I'm gonna go take it.
01:01:23.199 --> 01:01:23.579
Right.
01:01:23.708 --> 01:01:25.708
And I went and took it and then somebody else took my other spot, so.
01:01:26.679 --> 01:01:27.028
You know.
01:01:27.148 --> 01:01:28.298
And it does, often times.
01:01:28.719 --> 01:01:29.858
It f*cking hurts still, man.
01:01:30.338 --> 01:01:31.639
It's never going to feel good.
01:01:31.679 --> 01:01:32.489
a five mile hike?
01:01:33.989 --> 01:01:34.824
I did go hiking with my girlfriend.
01:01:34.824 --> 01:01:35.498
Start with two miles.
01:01:35.498 --> 01:01:37.918
Yeah, we did down to the shore and back.
01:01:37.978 --> 01:01:38.278
Yeah.
01:01:38.489 --> 01:01:43.498
And it was okay, but then I instantly rolled my ankle because it doesn't, nothing works quite the same.
01:01:43.588 --> 01:01:46.789
Well, motion is lotion, I would say, uh, like.
01:01:46.838 --> 01:01:47.929
Motion is lotion, that's good.
01:01:47.969 --> 01:01:48.259
Yeah.
01:01:48.259 --> 01:01:50.239
It's good, it's a little lubricate, man.
01:01:50.248 --> 01:01:52.429
So, so walk and hike a lot.
01:01:52.668 --> 01:01:53.059
Mountain bike.
01:01:53.068 --> 01:01:55.438
Especially elevation and mountain bike, but.
01:01:55.449 --> 01:01:55.668
Yeah.
01:01:56.039 --> 01:02:00.418
Um, just in terms of building the, like we're walking machines, right?
01:02:00.438 --> 01:02:04.628
So that's the activity that really propels us through life.
01:02:04.648 --> 01:02:05.489
Yeah, kind of.
01:02:05.568 --> 01:02:06.358
Yeah, I mean.
01:02:06.438 --> 01:02:13.778
I mean, if you go mountain bike from a band gig to band gig, it's great, but if you could walk it and put your guitar in the next stage, it's better.
01:02:13.949 --> 01:02:14.048
My lute.
01:02:15.128 --> 01:02:15.469
Your lute.
01:02:16.858 --> 01:02:20.789
Yeah, so anyway, all that stuff now is, yeah, we're all in the past and I am.
01:02:20.918 --> 01:02:23.148
When did you start reworking the album again, then?
01:02:23.199 --> 01:02:23.659
Um.
01:02:24.074 --> 01:02:32.858
Just really so those guys the guys from the Who I was tracking out in California or whatever, they did not, the pandemic did not treat them.
01:02:33.818 --> 01:02:34.599
Well, they were one of them.
01:02:34.628 --> 01:02:36.798
Well, the whole music industry, it's just, yeah.
01:02:37.409 --> 01:02:40.809
And a lot of those guys are not do well with drinking and drugs.
01:02:40.809 --> 01:02:43.208
And, um, I could not get them to finish.
01:02:43.208 --> 01:02:44.108
I could not get them.
01:02:44.418 --> 01:02:46.338
I could not get them.
01:02:46.338 --> 01:02:50.648
I flew out there with a hard drive and just banged down the door and was like, give me my tracks.
01:02:50.708 --> 01:02:52.248
I paid for these tracks, give them to me.
01:02:52.248 --> 01:02:53.128
I'm out of here.
01:02:53.128 --> 01:02:57.914
And so one of the guys was there and said, yep, So I took them.
01:02:58.503 --> 01:03:03.353
I got a friend of mine who works in Nashville at a studio and I'm going to get it wrong, but I want to say it's called Addiction.
01:03:03.934 --> 01:03:05.543
Addiction Studio.
01:03:05.974 --> 01:03:07.204
If I say it wrong, sorry, Cam.
01:03:07.704 --> 01:03:13.253
But, um, he took it on and, you know, trying to finish somebody else's work.
01:03:13.893 --> 01:03:19.804
You know, there's 27 tracks on one song and he's trying to start over again and give me good mixes.
01:03:19.804 --> 01:03:23.744
And so he's been, you know, Really, really sweet and great and patient with me.
01:03:23.744 --> 01:03:26.773
And we have done many revisions and can you do this?
01:03:26.773 --> 01:03:28.693
Is this just, is this you solo?
01:03:28.853 --> 01:03:31.634
No, you have with a backup band with the max Mackie band.
01:03:31.634 --> 01:03:32.463
This is a full max.
01:03:32.574 --> 01:03:34.273
Is it with the current max Mackie band?
01:03:34.284 --> 01:03:36.704
Or is there, it's the drummer from the old lineup.
01:03:36.704 --> 01:03:41.534
My friend Vinny LaCurse on bass, me doing all the guitars and vocals.
01:03:41.923 --> 01:03:45.704
And then, um, I hired in a kid named Alex Jordan to come and play keys.
01:03:45.733 --> 01:03:52.643
And then, um, there's a guy, uh, He's kind of like a Bay Area legend, Eric McFadden.
01:03:53.153 --> 01:03:56.623
He knew, and he sat in on one song, which was great.
01:03:56.623 --> 01:03:57.653
He's a great guitar player.
01:03:58.264 --> 01:03:59.543
Um, but it's mostly just me.
01:03:59.543 --> 01:04:00.204
It's my songs.
01:04:00.213 --> 01:04:03.244
These are all hired, hired people to just, to do what I asked them to do.
01:04:03.884 --> 01:04:06.164
So, but it's a sick, I mean, the album is killer.
01:04:06.244 --> 01:04:09.713
It's like a full on like guitar players.
01:04:10.244 --> 01:04:10.784
Album.
01:04:10.903 --> 01:04:11.304
Wow.
01:04:11.313 --> 01:04:14.643
There's no shortage of like monster guitar solos and huge harmonies.
01:04:14.643 --> 01:04:20.619
And it's a really, well, I have to think that the, the, the lyrics are going to be They're good.
01:04:20.869 --> 01:04:21.469
They're great.
01:04:21.579 --> 01:04:26.429
I mean, it's a, I take, I mean, I, I reworked and took a lot of pride in, in this stuff.
01:04:26.429 --> 01:04:28.559
And I think it's going to be, I mean, it's going to be great.
01:04:28.559 --> 01:04:29.469
It's different now though.
01:04:29.778 --> 01:04:31.378
But all this stuff was laid down before your knee stuff.
01:04:31.378 --> 01:04:32.079
I know, right?
01:04:32.088 --> 01:04:32.409
Right?
01:04:32.409 --> 01:04:35.759
Like I got to think you got a lot of new content that's bubbling to the surface.
01:04:35.838 --> 01:04:35.858
Yeah.
01:04:35.869 --> 01:04:38.688
Not that you write about yourself really.
01:04:38.929 --> 01:04:40.179
I don't write about myself.
01:04:40.179 --> 01:04:43.978
I write about things and maybe it happened in my life, but I write them in a way.
01:04:43.978 --> 01:04:46.648
Like one song on there is called Eyes on the Road.
01:04:47.023 --> 01:04:47.784
And I wrote it.
01:04:48.143 --> 01:04:49.844
I was teaching my daughter Sophia to drive.
01:04:50.143 --> 01:04:54.184
And I was just having one of those moments where I was like, I'll never get to do this again.
01:04:54.193 --> 01:04:55.384
My older daughter was done.
01:04:56.088 --> 01:05:03.728
It's like if you don't stop and really think about things like that, it just becomes another thing you have to do, but these are important things.
01:05:03.739 --> 01:05:04.778
Oh god, she needs Sophie to drive.
01:05:04.798 --> 01:05:10.838
Oh my god, like I was like, it was actually challenging and enjoyable and I won't get to do it again.
01:05:10.838 --> 01:05:16.268
Like these are my kids and it just really made me stop and think and so the song is written.
01:05:17.938 --> 01:05:30.619
That it's called eyes on the road, but it is written for anybody who taught their kid to drive or spent time with their father or mother and it's like, you know, the eyes on the road, keep inside the lines.
01:05:30.619 --> 01:05:42.139
It's like, yes, it's physically literally about driving and it's In your life, you know, right there, be, be there, like, just go out and don't be on your phone when you're supposed to be driving a car.
01:05:42.579 --> 01:05:43.298
You know, there's a line.
01:05:43.298 --> 01:05:46.679
That's like, I watched the clothes get bigger out there on that line.
01:05:46.728 --> 01:05:51.548
It's like things like that, that they are for me as I wash their clothes.
01:05:51.548 --> 01:05:56.648
And then, then we would buy new clothes and they get bigger, but it's like, anybody can relate to that stuff.
01:05:56.648 --> 01:05:58.338
And so I try to make all my songs.
01:05:59.184 --> 01:06:00.204
Relatable.
01:06:00.384 --> 01:06:00.673
Yeah.
01:06:00.704 --> 01:06:04.804
So they're not they maybe they are for me, but they are for everybody.
01:06:04.804 --> 01:06:11.034
I've gotten more feedback on that songs and more tears on that song than anything I've ever written.
01:06:11.384 --> 01:06:18.623
Actually, the day I I'll never forget I we went downstairs into our studio with the old Max Mackey band and I was told him I was like, I wrote the song.
01:06:19.264 --> 01:06:28.364
It's pretty personal, but I'd like to just see what you guys think and the girl who was a singer in the band She was just like bawling I can't even get through this.
01:06:28.364 --> 01:06:28.824
I love it.
01:06:28.873 --> 01:06:29.563
It was great.
01:06:29.603 --> 01:06:31.043
It's like that's a sign of a good song, right?
01:06:31.043 --> 01:06:33.054
For sure So, um, that's on the album.
01:06:33.054 --> 01:06:33.744
That's a good one.
01:06:34.333 --> 01:06:35.043
What's the name of that one?
01:06:35.438 --> 01:06:38.949
Uh, eyes on the road and that's the, that's going to be the name of the album.
01:06:39.139 --> 01:06:39.588
Oh, right on.
01:06:39.639 --> 01:06:39.869
Yeah.
01:06:39.869 --> 01:06:46.778
Cause again, it's for me again, it's like, and here I am back and eyes on the road, get back at it again.
01:06:46.778 --> 01:06:53.039
Like it's, it's a, that's a, that line means multiple things in multiple variations and well, it doesn't mean.
01:06:53.429 --> 01:06:55.469
Don't turn left in front of a pack of motorcyclists.
01:06:55.469 --> 01:06:56.338
That's the cool thing.
01:06:56.338 --> 01:06:58.293
Like that song was already there and baked in.
01:06:58.293 --> 01:06:59.813
Keep your f*cking eyes on the road.
01:06:59.813 --> 01:07:00.248
Almost prophetic.
01:07:00.248 --> 01:07:00.465
Right.
01:07:00.465 --> 01:07:02.202
I never even thought about it that way.
01:07:02.202 --> 01:07:02.637
No sh*t.
01:07:02.637 --> 01:07:03.505
Can I see it?
01:07:03.505 --> 01:07:05.242
It just seems like it's glaring at me.
01:07:05.242 --> 01:07:06.764
Can I see it to that kid?
01:07:06.764 --> 01:07:07.632
You son of a.
01:07:07.632 --> 01:07:10.079
Yeah, keep your eyes on the road.
01:07:10.219 --> 01:07:11.378
It's bad these days.
01:07:11.929 --> 01:07:12.648
It's real bad.
01:07:13.048 --> 01:07:14.248
Let's talk about motorcycles.
01:07:14.789 --> 01:07:19.318
Um, so how many motorcycles do you think you've owned in your lifetime?
01:07:19.668 --> 01:07:20.409
Over 50.
01:07:20.409 --> 01:07:22.329
Oh wow.
01:07:22.329 --> 01:07:23.289
I'm probably about.
01:07:23.333 --> 01:07:25.128
25, 20, 25.
01:07:25.128 --> 01:07:25.726
Yeah.
01:07:25.726 --> 01:07:27.804
I've definitely slowed down.
01:07:27.813 --> 01:07:30.304
That's that R 75 I had for 10 years.
01:07:30.313 --> 01:07:33.684
That like, I had so many motorcycles looking for that one.
01:07:33.724 --> 01:07:46.733
That was our immediate bond is when you are an old Beamer guy, whether or not you have anything else in common, your friends, your buddies, because it's just like the, it's like having an old crappy Harley, you just are always have to deal with it, you know?
01:07:46.733 --> 01:07:50.813
And so, yeah, if you tolerate having a Puerto Rican wife, I'm just kidding.
01:07:50.813 --> 01:07:51.563
Can you say that out loud?
01:07:52.134 --> 01:07:53.554
I'm just, that was totally a joke.
01:07:53.554 --> 01:07:53.764
Octopus.
01:07:53.764 --> 01:07:54.603
I have nobody in mind.
01:07:55.224 --> 01:07:56.514
No, we're not going to call it octopus.
01:07:56.514 --> 01:07:57.344
It's just a joke.
01:07:57.344 --> 01:07:58.434
I know.
01:07:58.434 --> 01:07:59.753
But I suspected it probably is.
01:07:59.804 --> 01:08:00.653
Um, yeah.
01:08:00.653 --> 01:08:04.494
When you, you know, I've been an old beamer guy most of my adult life.
01:08:04.494 --> 01:08:06.034
I got my first one when I think I was 25.
01:08:06.824 --> 01:08:07.043
Cool.
01:08:07.054 --> 01:08:08.563
And I've never, I mean, I still have one.
01:08:08.563 --> 01:08:10.074
I always seem to have an old beamer.
01:08:10.074 --> 01:08:10.224
Yeah.
01:08:10.224 --> 01:08:10.494
Yeah.
01:08:10.523 --> 01:08:11.563
And I have newer beamers.
01:08:11.563 --> 01:08:13.384
I've got a, I've got an R1100.
01:08:13.384 --> 01:08:14.523
You have an R1150.
01:08:15.253 --> 01:08:15.364
S.
01:08:15.364 --> 01:08:15.733
S.
01:08:15.733 --> 01:08:16.154
Yes.
01:08:16.184 --> 01:08:16.583
I had one.
01:08:16.583 --> 01:08:17.134
Oh, R1100S.
01:08:17.134 --> 01:08:18.583
R1100S, yes.
01:08:18.583 --> 01:08:19.283
I had one of those.
01:08:19.333 --> 01:08:20.304
Yeah, pretty cool.
01:08:20.404 --> 01:08:20.934
It's a great bike.
01:08:20.934 --> 01:08:22.274
Mine's got Ohlins and Rimas.
01:08:22.293 --> 01:08:22.774
Yeah.
01:08:22.783 --> 01:08:24.014
It's like a, it's a heater.
01:08:25.333 --> 01:08:27.503
Steve Gowing did a seat for mine, it was a great bike.
01:08:27.734 --> 01:08:29.604
I have an R1100GS right now.
01:08:29.684 --> 01:08:30.253
Oh, right.
01:08:30.613 --> 01:08:32.493
I've been thinking about getting one of those.
01:08:33.104 --> 01:08:34.194
Come borrow mine, go take it.
01:08:35.033 --> 01:08:36.913
Yeah, we could swap for it, you could ride the R1100S.
01:08:37.554 --> 01:08:38.453
I can't, those days are over.
01:08:38.503 --> 01:08:40.094
Oh, the bent over stuff.
01:08:40.484 --> 01:08:42.609
Oh yeah, that's a little too much.
01:08:42.609 --> 01:08:43.743
It's the seat to peg distance.
01:08:43.743 --> 01:08:45.234
It's a little annoying.
01:08:46.503 --> 01:08:50.694
130 degrees, and mine, mine's stuck at, this one's stuck at like 90.
01:08:51.203 --> 01:08:57.823
So I'm on, yeah, I'm on GS's because they're just taller seat to peg.
01:08:57.823 --> 01:08:59.944
Well, and you can probably go out too, right?
01:09:00.413 --> 01:09:01.974
But it's nice to have the support.
01:09:02.134 --> 01:09:02.923
It is, yeah.
01:09:03.319 --> 01:09:06.078
Yeah, this has definitely dictated a lot of things moving forward.
01:09:06.158 --> 01:09:09.509
So top, uh, top three bikes that you've ever owned out of those 50 plus.
01:09:09.509 --> 01:09:11.899
Oh yeah, whoa, that's a good one.
01:09:12.219 --> 01:09:15.288
Favorite, favorite, they don't have to be top, you know, whatever, it's not best.
01:09:15.389 --> 01:09:20.569
Um, favorite bikes, oh golly, that's a lot actually.
01:09:20.569 --> 01:09:27.059
So, I think, um, the bike that I was on, Yeah, that was real.
01:09:27.109 --> 01:09:28.078
It was a real special.
01:09:28.139 --> 01:09:40.078
It was a real and maybe I just looking at it with rose colored glasses But I had really built that one the way I wanted it It was black and orange and I had put black it was really sweet and like 70s style.
01:09:40.088 --> 01:09:42.658
Yeah But reliable like it was such a great bike.
01:09:42.658 --> 01:09:44.958
I just ridden it to mexico and back with some friends.
01:09:44.969 --> 01:09:46.889
Oh cool We had a great what year was it?
01:09:46.969 --> 01:09:47.538
Oh one.
01:09:47.679 --> 01:09:48.059
Okay.
01:09:48.099 --> 01:09:50.083
So it was the uh, The first kibo.
01:09:50.113 --> 01:09:50.323
Yeah.
01:09:50.323 --> 01:09:51.823
Beginning of the twin cam years.
01:09:51.828 --> 01:09:51.998
Right?
01:09:52.243 --> 01:09:52.333
Right.
01:09:52.333 --> 01:09:55.243
When they were still good before they changed some things, so, okay.
01:09:55.274 --> 01:09:56.113
It was a great bike.
01:09:56.113 --> 01:09:57.283
It was really, really fabulous.
01:09:57.283 --> 01:09:57.944
I liked that.
01:09:58.293 --> 01:10:05.253
Um, I had a, um, R 60 slash two whole Beamer that I had admit stood at.
01:10:05.259 --> 01:10:07.503
That thing was like what, 68 or something?
01:10:07.503 --> 01:10:08.734
64.
01:10:08.734 --> 01:10:12.783
64 65 And I had got it to where I could like go kickstarted in my socks.
01:10:12.783 --> 01:10:15.274
It was just dialed That was a good one.
01:10:15.394 --> 01:10:15.844
Um.
01:10:17.113 --> 01:10:24.783
You know, I had this old shovelhead, um, it was a 1974 F L H, which is like the precursor to the road King.
01:10:25.394 --> 01:10:26.293
And I had that.
01:10:26.344 --> 01:10:29.304
Um, and I just, I have a lot of fond memories about that too.
01:10:29.323 --> 01:10:30.524
That was before the internet.
01:10:30.904 --> 01:10:35.354
So I bought that, um, in 98 and I had found it.
01:10:35.753 --> 01:10:37.453
Um, I walked out of a bar.
01:10:37.463 --> 01:10:38.434
My brother was in a band.
01:10:38.434 --> 01:10:40.503
I was not playing at the time.
01:10:41.224 --> 01:10:57.123
Yeah, I guess I was but I wasn't and I came out there with my girlfriend who had not yet become my wife Yeah, and sitting outside of the bar was this old harley and I was like What is this thing what I have to know what this is And so she waited with me very sweetly till the guy came out.
01:10:57.524 --> 01:11:16.323
It was probably like 30 or 40 minutes We just kind of hung out So I asked the guy what it was and so he told me and so literally I opened a thrifty nickel Remember those or the auto trader books, you know, at like free at gas stations and restaurants and whatever kids won't know what those are, but it was like, so that's how you bought and sold things.
01:11:16.323 --> 01:11:17.173
There was no internet.
01:11:17.253 --> 01:11:25.094
Yeah, there was like the classifieds in the back of the newspaper or, and so I was looking through this thrifty nickel or auto trader or whatever it was.
01:11:25.113 --> 01:11:29.543
And this guy had posted one in Aurora and I was living in Broomfield at the time.
01:11:30.104 --> 01:11:35.514
And she went with me and, We bought it and I was so happy, so, so happy.
01:11:35.844 --> 01:11:36.503
It was great.
01:11:36.503 --> 01:11:37.554
And I wrote it a long time.
01:11:37.554 --> 01:11:39.804
I wrote it to the only time I ever went to Sturgis.
01:11:39.804 --> 01:11:44.844
I wrote it there and, um, I wound up, uh, I wound up selling it and actually I was ready.
01:11:44.844 --> 01:11:51.224
I moved to, had moved to Houston, um, to have, to have our daughter and honestly, it's like two hot to ride there this season.
01:11:51.224 --> 01:11:51.583
Right?
01:11:51.588 --> 01:11:51.658
Right.
01:11:51.673 --> 01:11:52.484
You can't even ride.
01:11:52.484 --> 01:11:53.264
It's just terrible.
01:11:53.264 --> 01:11:54.104
You just sweaty to be dumb.
01:11:54.104 --> 01:11:56.894
If you wanna wear a jacket and a helmet, you can't ride in Houston.
01:11:56.894 --> 01:11:57.163
Right.
01:11:57.493 --> 01:12:01.604
And so we, uh, we, I sold it and picked up a car that we needed at the time and.
01:12:02.038 --> 01:12:02.748
It was fine.
01:12:02.798 --> 01:12:06.259
And then as soon as I got back to Colorado, I bought my first Beamer and away I went again.
01:12:06.259 --> 01:12:10.509
So, you know, I bet there's, uh, like air conditioned jackets and helmets.
01:12:10.509 --> 01:12:19.069
No, probably now I can't, I can't afford them.
01:12:19.069 --> 01:12:21.078
Listen, folks, we need a 2 million listeners.
01:12:21.878 --> 01:12:24.708
We got to get Kurt the air conditioned helmet.
01:12:24.708 --> 01:12:26.929
You got to have it.
01:12:26.979 --> 01:12:27.488
Tell your friends.
01:12:27.838 --> 01:12:28.719
I know I don't need it.
01:12:28.719 --> 01:12:29.498
I like simpler.
01:12:29.788 --> 01:12:32.149
That's why I had that 1976 BMW for so long.
01:12:32.189 --> 01:12:32.908
I'm the same way.
01:12:33.078 --> 01:12:35.418
I still, I still have a 73 Beamer.
01:12:35.798 --> 01:12:38.179
I've got a 84 Harley super glide.
01:12:38.189 --> 01:12:45.469
It's just, I'm always of the mind of simplicity over, although I do have a 2017 Africa twin, but it's the most basic.
01:12:45.469 --> 01:12:47.099
There's not even any doodads on that.
01:12:47.698 --> 01:12:50.128
I just, you know, riding modes, those things are all.
01:12:50.524 --> 01:12:51.293
It's not my generation.
01:12:51.314 --> 01:12:54.173
I want, I've never actually owned a dual sport.
01:12:54.314 --> 01:12:55.949
Like a GS or an Africa Twin or anything.
01:12:55.949 --> 01:12:56.525
Well come ride either of mine.
01:12:56.525 --> 01:12:58.764
I've got a GS for you to ride or an Africa Twin.
01:12:58.793 --> 01:13:00.484
Okay, well let's ride together.
01:13:00.503 --> 01:13:01.953
If you love one, you can buy one of them.
01:13:01.953 --> 01:13:04.163
We can swap Peru.
01:13:04.163 --> 01:13:05.533
I don't need two, you can buy one.
01:13:06.944 --> 01:13:07.923
Okay, we can talk about it.
01:13:09.024 --> 01:13:09.423
With all your winnings.
01:13:09.423 --> 01:13:11.283
All my winnings, yes.
01:13:11.884 --> 01:13:19.498
Um, I was just thinking, I'm actually blessed in that, I think I, The R 1100 s that I have now, it's one of my top three.
01:13:19.559 --> 01:13:19.889
Yeah.
01:13:20.338 --> 01:13:24.088
The, the Valkyrie that my dad gifted me, that's eight years ago.
01:13:24.088 --> 01:13:24.538
That's a great bike.
01:13:24.779 --> 01:13:26.908
Um, like Jill and I love riding that thing.
01:13:26.908 --> 01:13:27.479
Do you still have it?
01:13:27.569 --> 01:13:27.838
Yeah.
01:13:27.899 --> 01:13:28.319
Nice.
01:13:28.378 --> 01:13:33.059
So I have those two now and then that, that 76 BMWR 75 would round up my top three.
01:13:33.118 --> 01:13:36.274
Yeah, well, the r it was an R 75 6 6, which is.
01:13:36.904 --> 01:13:45.713
Well known as one of the very best balanced and smooth and handled and and Barry built it out into an 850 because I needed to Okay, I needed to bore it out.
01:13:45.734 --> 01:13:46.814
Anyway, okay.
01:13:46.854 --> 01:13:54.634
I was like, well, let's just put the big whatever That was a sweet bike yeah from Ron bright it's true.
01:13:54.734 --> 01:13:55.984
Yeah, I remember that bike.
01:13:55.993 --> 01:14:03.904
Yeah, he had put like He had put like three grand into like making that thing like work perfectly.
01:14:04.413 --> 01:14:09.604
And when I bought it, I was under the mistaken illusion that I would barely have to spend any money maintaining it for the next.
01:14:11.479 --> 01:14:15.679
It's like, no, I put five grand into maintaining it, but it was over like 10 years.
01:14:15.679 --> 01:14:16.238
Yeah, it's fine.
01:14:16.238 --> 01:14:22.639
You know, I, you know, a little bit here and there I can do some, I can do my own stuff in many cases and it just always worked.
01:14:22.689 --> 01:14:25.878
It, it, it always adds up because you pay so little.
01:14:26.158 --> 01:14:26.559
Right.
01:14:26.719 --> 01:14:29.748
So if you had spent 8, 000 on a new bike.
01:14:29.809 --> 01:14:33.998
You probably wouldn't have to have maintained it much at all.
01:14:34.009 --> 01:14:37.469
Right, so you buy one for three and you put three into it, you're still under, you know.
01:14:37.998 --> 01:14:40.168
You just get to ride something that doesn't really have brakes.
01:14:40.399 --> 01:14:41.288
Yours didn't have brakes?
01:14:41.359 --> 01:14:44.059
I mean, it does, but not compared to a modern bike.
01:14:44.389 --> 01:14:47.059
I mean, it was the slow, as my friends called it when they rode it.
01:14:47.059 --> 01:14:49.069
They were like, how are you comfortable riding this?
01:14:49.069 --> 01:14:51.819
Which is so funny because people who ride Beamers think that bike was really fast.
01:14:52.099 --> 01:14:53.654
Well, it was back in the day.
01:14:54.014 --> 01:14:55.154
That bike was pretty quick.
01:14:55.154 --> 01:15:02.663
Yeah, no, my, my, uh, the first I just went riding with some friends out to, to Western Colorado.
01:15:02.663 --> 01:15:02.694
Okay.
01:15:02.694 --> 01:15:05.354
We went to tele ride and on the R 1100 s?
01:15:05.474 --> 01:15:05.863
Yes.
01:15:05.863 --> 01:15:08.444
And then on a Ducati 1200 Monster.
01:15:08.533 --> 01:15:09.104
Oh, geez.
01:15:09.194 --> 01:15:12.134
And then on A BMW 1200 Gs Oh, wow.
01:15:12.163 --> 01:15:12.854
Uh, GSA.
01:15:12.913 --> 01:15:13.274
Okay.
01:15:13.363 --> 01:15:16.639
And then a Ferrari, A 4 88 followed you.
01:15:17.373 --> 01:15:18.344
Yeah, it was with us, too.
01:15:18.354 --> 01:15:20.413
He was our, uh, one of my college friends, too.
01:15:20.923 --> 01:15:23.543
Uh, the, uh, not the pista, but the spider.
01:15:23.613 --> 01:15:24.234
Okay.
01:15:24.444 --> 01:15:25.054
Convertible.
01:15:25.104 --> 01:15:25.583
Wow.
01:15:26.243 --> 01:15:26.344
Yeah.
01:15:26.344 --> 01:15:27.394
You're high rolling with your friends.
01:15:27.413 --> 01:15:31.264
And so we were just like, I like to ride fast.
01:15:31.264 --> 01:15:33.423
You seemed more like a gentlemanly cruiser kind of guy.
01:15:33.423 --> 01:15:35.923
Especially now that you've had this big accident, but never have.
01:15:35.944 --> 01:15:36.304
Yeah.
01:15:36.373 --> 01:15:37.923
But we were just like buzzing through.
01:15:37.974 --> 01:15:38.344
Sure.
01:15:38.384 --> 01:15:38.993
Known.
01:15:39.003 --> 01:15:40.104
Fast or brisk?
01:15:40.439 --> 01:15:40.948
Brisk.
01:15:41.009 --> 01:15:41.908
I like to ride brisk.
01:15:41.908 --> 01:15:42.328
Brisk.
01:15:42.349 --> 01:15:42.569
Yeah.
01:15:42.618 --> 01:15:46.828
Yeah, we're riding, I mean, sometimes twice the speed limit, but briskly.
01:15:46.849 --> 01:15:47.679
That's, that's fine.
01:15:47.738 --> 01:15:48.759
You're just not doing a hundred.
01:15:48.969 --> 01:15:49.448
Yeah.
01:15:49.448 --> 01:15:50.399
Up the canyon.
01:15:50.408 --> 01:15:57.069
And it wasn't traffic and there was, you know, but you know, it was just, it was kind of lonely, curvy, beautiful roads.
01:15:57.078 --> 01:15:57.488
Okay.
01:15:57.599 --> 01:15:58.613
Uh, fast as a car.
01:15:58.873 --> 01:16:00.323
The Ferrari couldn't keep up with us.
01:16:01.194 --> 01:16:02.173
It was pretty fun.
01:16:02.634 --> 01:16:04.753
You think you're fast on a car until you meet bikes.
01:16:05.384 --> 01:16:05.463
Kind of.
01:16:05.923 --> 01:16:10.253
Well, and bikes can just pass so much easier even than a Ferrari.
01:16:10.274 --> 01:16:12.904
Because a Ferrari is like stuck way out there to pass.
01:16:13.524 --> 01:16:20.974
With a motorcycle, if somebody makes a mistake and you're passing a double yellow, like there's room probably if everybody doesn't freak out.
01:16:21.113 --> 01:16:22.934
I wish all car drivers realized that.
01:16:22.934 --> 01:16:24.934
You don't have to like, Pull it way over.
01:16:24.944 --> 01:16:29.854
All you have to do is move over a little bit, a little edge of the bikes can go right by you.
01:16:29.854 --> 01:16:30.493
Right through.
01:16:30.493 --> 01:16:30.654
Yeah.
01:16:30.654 --> 01:16:33.173
I want so badly for all car drivers to know that.
01:16:33.173 --> 01:16:35.083
So I'm giving here it is out into the world.
01:16:35.144 --> 01:16:40.054
But yeah, when you're in, there's a bikes behind you, you don't have to wait for the next turnout spot and come.
01:16:40.064 --> 01:16:41.844
You could just literally slow down.
01:16:43.109 --> 01:16:46.088
Especially if you can see that there's nobody coming because you're farther ahead of us.
01:16:46.088 --> 01:16:47.819
Move your tire over and bikes will just go right next to you.
01:16:47.828 --> 01:16:48.719
Yep, we'll just go.
01:16:48.769 --> 01:16:50.408
We'll just go and there'll be no hard feelings.
01:16:50.408 --> 01:16:54.618
You don't have to freak out and be scared because we're following so close to you, looking for our chance to pass.
01:16:55.248 --> 01:16:57.519
But it's hard for bikes to go 35 in the canyon.
01:16:57.668 --> 01:16:58.229
It's so boring.
01:16:58.279 --> 01:16:59.309
It's really difficult.
01:16:59.328 --> 01:16:59.738
Yeah.
01:16:59.779 --> 01:17:02.309
I mean, even then it's like bikes aren't meant to do what cars can do.
01:17:02.338 --> 01:17:02.588
No.
01:17:02.668 --> 01:17:03.998
Clutches don't work the same.
01:17:04.458 --> 01:17:08.168
I've gotten in trouble like before going up, um, what's the tunnel?
01:17:08.168 --> 01:17:09.738
They call it the tunnel up to Eisenhower.
01:17:09.759 --> 01:17:10.219
Oh, sure.
01:17:10.259 --> 01:17:11.779
When it's dead stop traffic.
01:17:12.259 --> 01:17:13.889
You can't, bikes can't sit still.
01:17:13.998 --> 01:17:14.605
It's not good for them.
01:17:14.605 --> 01:17:15.568
No, your clutch will just burn out.
01:17:15.568 --> 01:17:15.842
Yeah, yeah.
01:17:15.842 --> 01:17:16.940
It'll just burn out a little over here.
01:17:16.940 --> 01:17:19.219
Well, in an air cooled Harley or something, it'll just overheat.
01:17:19.219 --> 01:17:22.479
So we have to move over to the side and crawl up and people get so angry.
01:17:22.488 --> 01:17:24.948
Although August 17th, that's all over.
01:17:25.448 --> 01:17:26.958
Yeah, we have lane splitting.
01:17:27.328 --> 01:17:28.279
It's not lane splitting.
01:17:28.279 --> 01:17:31.009
Don't say it what our filtering lane filtering.
01:17:31.048 --> 01:17:34.939
Yes when the traffic is stopped Yeah, we can move as motorcyclists.
01:17:34.948 --> 01:17:37.208
We have to make sure we don't use that term.
01:17:37.269 --> 01:17:39.878
Yes, because that's what makes people angry It's true.
01:17:40.078 --> 01:17:53.488
It makes people very Lane filtering so when it's dead stop traffic or really slow traffic bikes can comfortably and safely Go to the front and get out of the way and lower traffic.
01:17:53.488 --> 01:17:58.043
It's really Is a actual positive, but it's been abused.
01:17:58.344 --> 01:18:02.934
In California, where people are blasting down the middle of 80 miles an hour.
01:18:02.934 --> 01:18:05.354
And that is never been called lane splitting.
01:18:05.354 --> 01:18:08.123
It's never, that's like a fake term.
01:18:08.283 --> 01:18:08.984
It's fake news.
01:18:09.913 --> 01:18:12.043
It's called lane filtering.
01:18:12.474 --> 01:18:14.203
So August 17th.
01:18:14.368 --> 01:18:14.698
Yes.
01:18:15.009 --> 01:18:15.559
I'm excited.
01:18:16.198 --> 01:18:18.748
Just right on time for my 50th birthday.
01:18:19.189 --> 01:18:20.759
Well, and the Valkyrie is kind of big.
01:18:21.059 --> 01:18:25.399
Like, I, I've been thinking about it the last month or so since I learned about this.
01:18:25.988 --> 01:18:31.519
I'm like, I couldn't, technically I could filter up to the front, you know, just not have to be here, but.
01:18:32.099 --> 01:18:33.884
But you know, so going up Eisenhower.
01:18:34.373 --> 01:18:39.944
When you can't, you can't sit still on a hundred degree day, you're going to be pushing your bike up after it blows up.
01:18:40.314 --> 01:18:47.043
So now you will be able to go in first gear and walk your bike up kindly through to get to the front.
01:18:47.083 --> 01:18:51.444
And you know, I have had to do that before and people are so angry.
01:18:51.484 --> 01:18:51.654
Right.
01:18:52.048 --> 01:18:53.599
They're like screaming at you.
01:18:53.599 --> 01:18:57.929
It's like, either that or I just have to shut it off and park it on the side of the road until traffic clears.
01:18:57.939 --> 01:18:59.338
It doesn't work that way for motorcycles.
01:18:59.338 --> 01:19:00.899
The clutches aren't built the same.
01:19:01.238 --> 01:19:02.979
Cooling isn't the same as it is in a car.
01:19:02.979 --> 01:19:04.908
You get to sit in your car with the air conditioner on.
01:19:05.948 --> 01:19:06.809
This is a good thing.
01:19:06.838 --> 01:19:10.668
There's a big difference for me to go five miles an hour between lanes.
01:19:11.019 --> 01:19:12.609
In a leather jacket and helmet.
01:19:12.609 --> 01:19:16.748
It's not about me getting in front of you.
01:19:16.748 --> 01:19:19.269
It's about the likelihood of me getting home.
01:19:19.918 --> 01:19:20.779
On this motorcycle.
01:19:20.878 --> 01:19:29.689
So anyway, yeah, I'm glad it's finally the state has, and I think it's only a trial, but it's going to be, it's going to, nobody cares enough to turn it around.
01:19:29.698 --> 01:19:30.519
I hope so.
01:19:30.618 --> 01:19:37.078
People just get angry, get angry and they get people get in their own world.
01:19:37.078 --> 01:19:39.109
And you know, I'm kind of a libertarian guy.
01:19:39.109 --> 01:19:44.298
And so I feel like if I'm not hurting somebody, then it should just be okay.
01:19:44.298 --> 01:19:45.048
It should be okay.
01:19:45.088 --> 01:19:46.298
That's the way it should be.
01:19:46.349 --> 01:19:46.719
Right.
01:19:46.819 --> 01:19:51.779
Like if this person, they chose a drove their car and car and they're stuck in traffic, but for a motorcyclist.
01:19:52.279 --> 01:19:58.429
We have taken a different with different sort of, um, you know, options of Yeah.
01:19:58.429 --> 01:19:58.958
Being hit.
01:19:59.248 --> 01:19:59.559
Other risks.
01:19:59.559 --> 01:20:00.469
Yeah, we take other risks.
01:20:00.529 --> 01:20:01.929
And so, And we have other rewards.
01:20:01.929 --> 01:20:02.559
That's the reward.
01:20:02.569 --> 01:20:05.309
It's like, and so I feel like, I really hope people understand that.
01:20:05.418 --> 01:20:06.628
And we're burning less gas.
01:20:06.998 --> 01:20:07.988
Unless we got a Valkyrie.
01:20:08.048 --> 01:20:08.679
All the things.
01:20:08.859 --> 01:20:10.639
I call the Valkyrie the Anti Prius.
01:20:10.958 --> 01:20:12.609
Why do you get such bad gas mileage?
01:20:12.618 --> 01:20:14.048
Well, cause it's got six carburetors.
01:20:14.059 --> 01:20:15.738
I know, but it should still get 30 miles an hour.
01:20:15.908 --> 01:20:16.328
No.
01:20:16.408 --> 01:20:16.458
No?
01:20:16.609 --> 01:20:17.889
24, 23.
01:20:18.158 --> 01:20:19.389
Whoa, guys, you're like a truck.
01:20:19.939 --> 01:20:20.139
Yeah.
01:20:20.378 --> 01:20:21.009
Like a Dodge.
01:20:21.009 --> 01:20:21.969
I'm gonna call it the Dodge.
01:20:22.904 --> 01:20:32.283
It's like, like me and Jill could take the Valkyrie, or we could take her Subaru, which gets like 26 miles to the gallon, and it's like, it's actually more environmentally conscious.
01:20:32.283 --> 01:20:33.894
Even my old Harley gets better than you.
01:20:33.944 --> 01:20:39.264
Oh yeah, well my BMW got like 40 on this trip, going like 90 miles an hour, a lot.
01:20:39.333 --> 01:20:39.774
Yeah, that's great.
01:20:39.944 --> 01:20:40.493
It was cool.
01:20:40.503 --> 01:20:42.064
Yeah, that's 6 speed overdrive in that bike.
01:20:42.073 --> 01:20:48.394
It only likes, like, at around town or local rides, it was getting like 30, 35 miles an hour.
01:20:48.394 --> 01:20:48.779
Yeah.
01:20:49.349 --> 01:20:54.238
But cruising, like, at, you know, cruising speeds, it liked that a lot more.
01:20:54.248 --> 01:20:55.279
Yeah, that overdrive, you're right.
01:20:55.279 --> 01:20:57.809
My Africa Twin, it gets like 50, 60.
01:20:57.809 --> 01:20:58.418
Does it really?
01:20:58.429 --> 01:20:58.819
It's incredible.
01:20:58.828 --> 01:21:00.208
I want one of those, I think.
01:21:00.208 --> 01:21:00.618
It's a sipper, sipper.
01:21:00.618 --> 01:21:00.948
Come ride that.
01:21:00.948 --> 01:21:03.979
Well, and it's gotta be so dependable and it just works.
01:21:04.009 --> 01:21:04.139
Perfect.
01:21:04.139 --> 01:21:04.859
Right, it's a Honda.
01:21:04.859 --> 01:21:05.389
It's a Honda.
01:21:06.024 --> 01:21:06.814
It's such a nice bike.
01:21:06.823 --> 01:21:08.054
I might have to take one of those for a ride.
01:21:08.054 --> 01:21:08.524
Take two.
01:21:08.524 --> 01:21:09.144
Come take one for a ride.
01:21:09.684 --> 01:21:10.344
Go riding with me.
01:21:10.423 --> 01:21:11.073
And then you love it.
01:21:11.083 --> 01:21:11.564
You can buy it.
01:21:11.833 --> 01:21:19.304
Um, I'm going to, uh, I'm going to put us on a quick break, uh, and we'll come back and do our closing segment.
01:21:19.323 --> 01:21:19.823
Sounds great.
01:21:19.863 --> 01:21:20.054
All right.
01:22:04.064 --> 01:22:04.583
Are we back on?
01:22:04.623 --> 01:22:05.423
I think we're back on.
01:22:05.453 --> 01:22:05.734
Okay, great.
01:22:05.734 --> 01:22:06.524
Let's just be back on.
01:22:06.524 --> 01:22:07.173
Yeah, let's just be back on.
01:22:07.413 --> 01:22:13.304
Say that again, like, I found that interesting that, uh, listening to music Oh, yeah.
01:22:13.333 --> 01:22:14.173
And being stoned?
01:22:14.224 --> 01:22:14.684
Yeah, yeah.
01:22:14.684 --> 01:22:15.203
Oh, yeah.
01:22:15.243 --> 01:22:25.913
Yeah, it's one of my, one of my all time favorite Well, actually, the reason I Probably smoked weed the most is to put on a good set of headphones and put on like, um, a live show.
01:22:26.043 --> 01:22:29.113
Yeah, and then I swear I just hear things differently.
01:22:29.634 --> 01:22:31.304
I just focus on things differently.
01:22:31.304 --> 01:22:33.573
I can almost feel what they're doing.
01:22:34.024 --> 01:22:35.673
Feel what they're trying to get across.
01:22:36.413 --> 01:22:37.243
It's my favorite.
01:22:37.243 --> 01:22:40.173
I really, I check out and it's so great.
01:22:40.173 --> 01:22:44.413
I used to do that when, when the kids were little and my, my ex wife would just be like, yeah, go ahead.
01:22:44.493 --> 01:22:47.194
I just, I just, Yeah, take like one hit or take a couple hits.
01:22:47.203 --> 01:22:47.404
Yeah.
01:22:47.404 --> 01:22:59.134
Yeah, put on like a white law I was really into widespread back then and just put on the cd And put on my headphones and lay on the floor and then the kids would come in and crawl around on me And yeah, it was so great.
01:22:59.163 --> 01:23:08.753
I just such a vacation Yeah, and so I still do it like I have a couple of real specific specific like dead shows that I love or I just Gotten into the band goose.
01:23:09.014 --> 01:23:10.854
Yeah, and so that's new to me.
01:23:10.863 --> 01:23:16.918
Yeah At night after i'm all done with the day and I don't want to play guitar anymore or whatever.
01:23:16.918 --> 01:23:26.838
I'll just, I just got myself some new headphones and, and, uh, I just go to Spotify has so much good music on Spotify or re listen or archive.
01:23:27.634 --> 01:23:37.064
So, you've talked about how the, but the music industry in general and band scenes and stuff, like there's a lot of drugs, there's a lot of weed, there's a lot of whatever.
01:23:37.073 --> 01:23:37.854
I think there can be.
01:23:37.863 --> 01:23:44.213
Did they, did you feel like, um, uh, discriminated against?
01:23:44.253 --> 01:23:45.083
Oh, no.
01:23:45.123 --> 01:23:45.503
Almost?
01:23:45.524 --> 01:23:45.833
Nothing?
01:23:45.844 --> 01:23:47.054
There was never any pressure?
01:23:47.094 --> 01:23:47.474
No.
01:23:47.759 --> 01:23:48.088
I don't know.
01:23:48.088 --> 01:23:56.488
Maybe, maybe I guess somebody who maybe is, um, less strong willed than me, you could be that way, but you have an easy time.
01:23:56.488 --> 01:24:04.368
You do you know, if somebody is like in a not want me around because I don't, well, I mean, I'll just f*cking not be around.
01:24:05.488 --> 01:24:08.333
I'll make my own way on somehow anyway, but no.
01:24:08.694 --> 01:24:11.113
The everything in the music industry has changed.
01:24:11.323 --> 01:24:11.613
Yeah.
01:24:11.634 --> 01:24:14.123
Dramatically post pandemic.
01:24:14.203 --> 01:24:14.573
Interesting.
01:24:14.604 --> 01:24:15.394
For the better.
01:24:15.474 --> 01:24:15.774
Good.
01:24:15.804 --> 01:24:16.493
In my opinion.
01:24:16.503 --> 01:24:16.873
Really?
01:24:16.934 --> 01:24:18.654
Tell me about, tell me about some of those changes.
01:24:18.974 --> 01:24:23.404
Pre in my twenties, music was always at bars.
01:24:23.793 --> 01:24:24.224
Right.
01:24:24.503 --> 01:24:28.434
Always at bars, and you didn't even start till like 10 30 or 11.
01:24:28.514 --> 01:24:31.734
Right, you just come home at 1 11.
01:24:31.774 --> 01:24:32.144
Right.
01:24:32.154 --> 01:24:32.974
It's f*cking terrible.
01:24:32.974 --> 01:24:34.083
Everybody's wasted.
01:24:34.503 --> 01:24:39.054
Everybody there is just drinking and drinking and drinking, and it's, and it's late.
01:24:39.054 --> 01:24:40.543
You're not meant to be up like that.
01:24:40.604 --> 01:24:41.033
Yeah, yeah.
01:24:41.033 --> 01:24:44.394
And then you got to find somewhere to sleep, or you get home, and you wake up late.
01:24:44.394 --> 01:24:45.384
Like it's just not healthy.
01:24:45.663 --> 01:24:53.804
Now music, I swear is like six to nine, seven to nine, four to six on a Sunday.
01:24:53.804 --> 01:24:54.663
It is great.
01:24:54.663 --> 01:24:59.734
You get paid by people who pay you and you play for people who are there and enjoy it.
01:24:59.734 --> 01:25:00.913
It's got a diverse crowd.
01:25:00.913 --> 01:25:05.293
It's not just a bunch of drunk kids because they're the ones that can afford it.
01:25:05.594 --> 01:25:10.134
When you play a theater, yeah, nine to 11, right.
01:25:10.154 --> 01:25:13.904
If nobody's just out like that anymore, there's like a, in this town, there's only like.
01:25:14.328 --> 01:25:17.509
Maybe seven bars that are even open late.
01:25:17.628 --> 01:25:18.189
It's true.
01:25:18.269 --> 01:25:18.759
It's true.
01:25:18.809 --> 01:25:20.698
Breweries are done by 10, right?
01:25:20.719 --> 01:25:22.948
Most bars are done by 11, right?
01:25:22.988 --> 01:25:29.368
It's like, you know, there's like the yeti and there's the college places there Trailhead is open till barely after one anymore though.
01:25:29.849 --> 01:25:49.748
They don't I know used to be you could go like up to the bell at the trailhead Last call and then that was like, you know, kind of ish Dependent if you do the bartender or not suggestion Yeah, so for me, um, yeah, I I have never felt that I have never felt the The pressure from the music industry.
01:25:49.748 --> 01:25:54.698
But I've also, you know, maybe I've just been a little lucky or maybe I just refused to acknowledge.
01:25:54.889 --> 01:25:57.988
I refuse to anything that's, that's anything that spells it all.
01:25:57.988 --> 01:26:01.238
Like somebody trying to influence me is like the opposite of what I want to do.
01:26:01.298 --> 01:26:01.788
Yeah.
01:26:01.958 --> 01:26:04.509
I just, when you get our age, it's like, if you can't set boundaries.
01:26:05.123 --> 01:26:08.094
You need to go rethink your life, you know, it's okay.
01:26:08.753 --> 01:26:20.833
It's okay to have boundaries when you're 50, so We always talk about Three main themes as part of the mandatory topics of faith family politics.
01:26:20.894 --> 01:26:31.668
Okay in any order, okay Well, I would choose the most important one family family, obviously because the other two I Don't put a lot of energy into, but yeah, family to me is, is everything.
01:26:31.769 --> 01:26:34.729
Let's, uh, how many children do you two.
01:26:34.769 --> 01:26:35.609
Two beautiful children.
01:26:35.679 --> 01:26:39.189
Well, I'm about to gain two more because both my daughters are engaged and married.
01:26:39.248 --> 01:26:39.679
Oh, cool.
01:26:39.689 --> 01:26:41.389
And so, and two wonderful, fabulous sons.
01:26:41.458 --> 01:26:43.698
Oh, do you have that kind of like, you get a son in law?
01:26:43.729 --> 01:26:54.724
I get two great sons and they're, and they are both, when you have daughters, you want them to just be happy and you want them to be with someone who, Not that they can't take care of themselves.
01:26:54.724 --> 01:26:59.533
They were both raised, but that they want to be a part of their life.
01:26:59.533 --> 01:27:07.264
And, and both of the, both of the men that have chosen my daughters and my daughters have chosen are stand up really great.
01:27:07.484 --> 01:27:07.844
Great.
01:27:07.844 --> 01:27:10.123
And it's all happened unfolded in the last few years.
01:27:10.123 --> 01:27:11.963
In the last couple of years, really in the last year.
01:27:12.863 --> 01:27:13.144
Yeah.
01:27:13.144 --> 01:27:16.604
My oldest daughter, um, just got engaged in France.
01:27:16.613 --> 01:27:35.139
He, so see like what a, what a, What a great Adrian just, he just impresses me, he, uh, yeah, he, he asked her to marry, he asked her to marry her at, uh, this, the park right outside of, I can't remember all the details, yeah, it was, uh, it was a beautiful and he, the way he did it was great.
01:27:35.189 --> 01:27:42.029
So, and then my youngest is married and, and her husband is, they just are perfect for each other.
01:27:42.109 --> 01:27:42.819
They're just great.
01:27:43.158 --> 01:27:47.819
You know, I could get into all the things that make them perfect, but you know, do you have any grandchildren yet?
01:27:48.118 --> 01:27:48.469
No.
01:27:48.823 --> 01:27:49.264
Getting there though.
01:27:49.274 --> 01:27:49.734
No.
01:27:49.913 --> 01:27:53.654
Like the progress is, uh, I mean, I They might have some time.
01:27:53.654 --> 01:27:55.703
They want to just I encourage them to just be kids.
01:27:55.703 --> 01:27:56.344
Explore, see the world.
01:27:56.344 --> 01:27:56.533
Right.
01:27:56.533 --> 01:27:57.654
Be kids in their twenties, man.
01:27:57.654 --> 01:27:58.033
Be married.
01:27:58.043 --> 01:27:58.654
You know, yeah.
01:27:58.654 --> 01:28:00.083
Don't, I had kids early.
01:28:00.094 --> 01:28:01.623
My wife and I had Emma early.
01:28:01.793 --> 01:28:02.524
And it was great.
01:28:02.524 --> 01:28:04.064
And I loved all of it.
01:28:04.503 --> 01:28:06.564
But, my advice is always, Don't.
01:28:07.024 --> 01:28:08.264
Just put the brakes on that.
01:28:08.274 --> 01:28:08.583
Yeah.
01:28:08.604 --> 01:28:09.713
Be, enjoy each other.
01:28:09.904 --> 01:28:12.134
Keep the goalie in for three or four or five years at least.
01:28:12.144 --> 01:28:13.493
Once you start, there's no going back.
01:28:13.764 --> 01:28:14.104
Right.
01:28:14.144 --> 01:28:16.293
You know, there's diapers forever.
01:28:16.423 --> 01:28:16.613
Yeah.
01:28:16.613 --> 01:28:20.654
Nobody will ever actually be honest about what it's like to have children.
01:28:20.663 --> 01:28:22.134
And so like, I would be honest.
01:28:22.224 --> 01:28:22.533
Yeah.
01:28:22.613 --> 01:28:27.634
And I tell people all the time, like, listen, what you get from having children, you have kids, right?
01:28:27.743 --> 01:28:28.144
No.
01:28:28.154 --> 01:28:28.423
No.
01:28:28.453 --> 01:28:34.814
So what you get when you have kids, not the same as a dog or a pet, but when you have kids, you get this.
01:28:35.469 --> 01:28:40.319
Unbelievable capacity to love something that you had no idea was in you.
01:28:40.418 --> 01:28:50.958
If you're choosing to be a good parent, because plenty of parents are D bags, but if you choose to be a present parent and be involved, this capacity to love is unbelievable.
01:28:51.658 --> 01:28:53.708
And that is it.
01:28:55.194 --> 01:29:03.434
Everything else in your life, hobbies, money, relationships, time, they all take a beating.
01:29:03.663 --> 01:29:04.564
They just take a beating.
01:29:05.024 --> 01:29:13.003
It's like, but if that's enough for you and an occasional, thanks dad, when they're older, that's, I mean, that's really what you get.
01:29:13.003 --> 01:29:15.163
The illusion that they're going to take care of you when you're old.
01:29:15.434 --> 01:29:16.783
They're just going to ship you off to a home.
01:29:16.793 --> 01:29:19.194
And then people say have a second kid cause they play together.
01:29:19.274 --> 01:29:22.054
That's not true either of the 18 years.
01:29:22.054 --> 01:29:22.793
They'll be together.
01:29:22.814 --> 01:29:26.503
They'll play together for total of three months in those 18 years.
01:29:26.823 --> 01:29:32.224
And you have to have multiple personalities because they're, they both communicate differently.
01:29:32.224 --> 01:29:33.833
They need things differently.
01:29:33.833 --> 01:29:36.573
One sleep, even though they're both girls, only a couple of years apart.
01:29:36.583 --> 01:29:37.283
It doesn't matter.
01:29:37.554 --> 01:29:40.423
It's more than five times the work when you have two children.
01:29:40.594 --> 01:29:43.453
So there's Max's parenting theory for everybody.
01:29:44.123 --> 01:29:47.123
My dad always said, uh, you know, a man should have a dog.
01:29:47.474 --> 01:29:51.463
Uh, family should have a dog, but no dogs is better than two dogs.
01:29:52.394 --> 01:29:54.073
It sounds like your theory is the same.
01:29:55.913 --> 01:29:58.253
So which one of your daughters do you wish you wouldn't have had?
01:29:58.413 --> 01:29:59.644
No, just kidding.
01:30:00.033 --> 01:30:04.134
Honestly, I, uh, I always thought like most guys that I kind of wanted sons.
01:30:04.144 --> 01:30:07.873
And then I took this one summer teaching, uh, climbing.
01:30:07.873 --> 01:30:10.094
I used to be a big climber when I was in my twenties.
01:30:10.094 --> 01:30:15.094
And, um, I took a job teaching climbing at this camp and it was an all girls camp.
01:30:17.363 --> 01:30:22.604
I had never seen girls who, without the influence of boys It's different, huh?
01:30:22.613 --> 01:30:23.694
It's so different, dude.
01:30:23.694 --> 01:30:24.503
It was magical.
01:30:24.514 --> 01:30:26.988
They were They were unbelievable.
01:30:27.248 --> 01:30:29.179
It was so great.
01:30:29.189 --> 01:30:34.708
Just any societal pressure, what little women were like.
01:30:34.719 --> 01:30:37.578
And I was flipped with your daughters too.
01:30:37.588 --> 01:30:39.219
No, no, this was before this was before.
01:30:39.219 --> 01:30:40.309
Yeah, I was 25.
01:30:40.408 --> 01:30:42.498
Um, and so I was like, you know, I'd love to have daughters.
01:30:42.498 --> 01:30:46.979
And then I had two and I mean, both my kids can swim across a stream.
01:30:46.979 --> 01:30:49.408
They hit a baseball, they can change their oil.
01:30:49.814 --> 01:30:53.724
I raised them like Colorado girls, like bicycling early.
01:30:54.213 --> 01:30:56.203
They don't, they do not mind getting sweaty.
01:30:56.203 --> 01:30:57.024
They don't mind.
01:30:57.413 --> 01:30:59.394
They are not princesses, but they are also.
01:30:59.859 --> 01:31:23.194
Smart, intelligent, women who, yes, yes, you know, I always say like, they don't, we don't talk that often, they don't call me and need me, and that's like, not a bad thing, it means I did it right, you know, we, we, we want to talk to each other, and we want to remind each other how much we love each other, the phone works both ways, we can do it, it's great, but there's never a needy, it's free will, it's so great, yeah, So great.
01:31:23.264 --> 01:31:28.123
Anyway, um, we always do a, uh, one word description of our, of the children.
01:31:29.054 --> 01:31:30.934
So, uh, start with your older daughter, if you would.
01:31:31.123 --> 01:31:32.173
What's her age and name again?
01:31:32.173 --> 01:31:33.203
She's 23.
01:31:33.253 --> 01:31:33.873
23 now?
01:31:33.894 --> 01:31:36.543
Yeah, she's, oh gosh, yeah, 22 maybe.
01:31:36.543 --> 01:31:38.144
She's going to be 23.
01:31:38.144 --> 01:31:38.564
Right in there.
01:31:38.604 --> 01:31:40.514
Cause they're, they're both fall and winter.
01:31:40.583 --> 01:31:41.014
Okay.
01:31:41.014 --> 01:31:44.104
So it's about to be 21 and about to be 24.
01:31:44.113 --> 01:31:45.163
I think she's 23 now.
01:31:45.163 --> 01:31:45.734
Okay.
01:31:45.734 --> 01:31:46.144
2000.
01:31:46.413 --> 01:31:47.394
Yeah, she'll be 24.
01:31:47.444 --> 01:31:47.594
Okay.
01:31:47.594 --> 01:31:48.234
September 28th.
01:31:48.554 --> 01:31:49.354
So she's 23.
01:31:51.708 --> 01:31:52.048
What's her name?
01:31:52.048 --> 01:31:53.048
Emma.
01:31:53.048 --> 01:31:53.798
Emma Rose Mackey.
01:31:54.238 --> 01:31:54.918
Yeah, that's right.
01:31:55.038 --> 01:31:55.578
Emma Rose Mackey.
01:31:56.729 --> 01:31:58.418
There's a song on the album called Emma Rose.
01:31:58.509 --> 01:31:59.009
Oh, cool.
01:31:59.038 --> 01:31:59.668
I wrote it for her.
01:31:59.969 --> 01:32:05.429
I wrote, I wrote the line on the way to Texas in the plane.
01:32:05.429 --> 01:32:09.748
So, her mom and I were, had a difficult, time when she got pregnant.
01:32:10.059 --> 01:32:10.748
We were young.
01:32:11.498 --> 01:32:12.578
She had moved to Texas.
01:32:12.618 --> 01:32:13.899
I stayed in Colorado.
01:32:13.979 --> 01:32:14.448
Oh wow.
01:32:14.488 --> 01:32:17.618
And then when Emma was born, I flew instantly to go meet her.
01:32:17.708 --> 01:32:21.078
We were always very corrigible and connected and we just struggled.
01:32:21.349 --> 01:32:29.969
Um, but I wrote this line, the Emma Rose that gently grows upon my tabletop stretches out her sunlit arms towards the sunlit spot.
01:32:30.359 --> 01:32:37.208
She grows in waves of color, pale blue to soft, bright white, and nothing's been the same since she first grew into my life.
01:32:37.309 --> 01:32:37.918
I wrote that.
01:32:38.234 --> 01:32:45.384
In 2000 and I put that finally put that line to use On this album and I wrote the song.
01:32:45.703 --> 01:32:46.163
I love it.
01:32:46.234 --> 01:32:46.743
I love it.
01:32:46.743 --> 01:32:50.684
Yeah, so anyway Um, how would I describe her with one word?
01:32:50.684 --> 01:32:50.873
Yeah.
01:32:50.873 --> 01:33:03.444
Yeah Oh boy, um I don't know if my vocabulary is good enough, honestly.
01:33:03.663 --> 01:33:07.094
I'm not, I, I, I mean, we do allow hyphens.
01:33:07.134 --> 01:33:21.684
I can think a lot of words that like describe her is, you know, she's so mindful and kind and creative and thoughtful, um, organized.
01:33:21.684 --> 01:33:33.404
Like she just is such a, such a, It's just a prize for a dad, you know, and she has always been like, even with her little sister, she always put her little sister first.
01:33:33.413 --> 01:33:36.783
I'm sure there's a word that describes all that, but kind of selfless a little bit.
01:33:36.783 --> 01:33:37.243
Yeah.
01:33:37.323 --> 01:33:39.793
I just don't know if I would be able to describe her in one word, you know?
01:33:39.823 --> 01:33:40.533
Yeah, that's fair.
01:33:40.564 --> 01:33:40.963
Yeah.
01:33:41.224 --> 01:33:41.514
Yeah.
01:33:42.014 --> 01:33:48.394
And then my little one, Sophia grace, she and her sister are just different, but they are both.
01:33:48.863 --> 01:33:57.488
She is, um, um, Like, when I think about her, she is, shines the brightest when she is giving of herself.
01:33:58.399 --> 01:34:04.088
She's in, there's a term for that, like when you, uh, Kind of her flow state is in that space.
01:34:04.099 --> 01:34:10.939
Yeah, like that she got to go to Guatemala and with her mom on a missions trip and just, you just give.
01:34:11.139 --> 01:34:11.458
Yeah, yeah.
01:34:11.458 --> 01:34:16.253
You give and she is just, that is when she is like the brightest, when she is giving.
01:34:16.694 --> 01:34:17.613
She's cheap right now.
01:34:17.613 --> 01:34:20.844
She spent two years teaching little kids at a, the learning experience.
01:34:21.444 --> 01:34:24.564
She loves, she just loves to give of herself.
01:34:24.734 --> 01:34:33.814
That's her love language maybe, or, um, and she's super funny and she's, she's not, her and Emma are different and they're just different.
01:34:33.814 --> 01:34:38.713
Like I said, when you have two kids, you have to learn to communicate to them both totally differently.
01:34:38.743 --> 01:34:40.253
You have to be bipolar as a parent.
01:34:40.828 --> 01:34:53.899
And if you try not to you're just you're flailing you have to be able to just pivot a lot um, she's also yeah, she's just she's inquisitive about life and She's just, just fabulous.
01:34:53.929 --> 01:34:55.708
Another, you know, another prize for me.
01:34:55.708 --> 01:34:58.229
And neither one of them were ever like tantrum throwers.
01:34:58.248 --> 01:34:59.668
They were just such good kids.
01:34:59.979 --> 01:35:04.689
And I assume that you like eventually, like they have the same mom, right?
01:35:04.689 --> 01:35:05.088
Yeah.
01:35:05.088 --> 01:35:06.658
Longer term relationship with Angela.
01:35:06.658 --> 01:35:07.838
I'm sure from the day.
01:35:07.929 --> 01:35:08.609
Oh sure.
01:35:08.668 --> 01:35:09.259
Motel house days.
01:35:09.259 --> 01:35:09.399
Yeah.
01:35:09.399 --> 01:35:16.469
She, and honestly, like when people go through divorce, I hear horror stories and we did not live that life.
01:35:16.538 --> 01:35:16.859
Yeah.
01:35:16.929 --> 01:35:17.979
We had a Rocky.
01:35:18.634 --> 01:35:27.283
As any divorce is, is difficult, but we always, always, always, always put our kids first and we've crushed it.
01:35:28.198 --> 01:35:29.519
We did such a good job.
01:35:29.988 --> 01:35:32.588
Even like we would trick or treat together.
01:35:32.599 --> 01:35:34.679
Even when she got remarried, we would do Christmas.
01:35:34.679 --> 01:35:37.139
I mean, we did the thing to make our kids life.
01:35:37.359 --> 01:35:38.679
And I would tell that to my girls.
01:35:38.708 --> 01:35:39.399
Was it harder?
01:35:39.399 --> 01:35:40.378
Was it not that hard?
01:35:40.529 --> 01:35:41.229
It's not that hard.
01:35:41.378 --> 01:35:43.389
It's only hard when you make a choice, right?
01:35:43.389 --> 01:35:45.828
You can make a choice to make it not that hard.
01:35:45.828 --> 01:35:47.048
You can make a choice to make it that hard.
01:35:47.099 --> 01:35:48.569
And you can talk to your children, man.
01:35:48.569 --> 01:35:50.048
We talked and talked at length.
01:35:50.069 --> 01:35:54.413
I would tell them always like, listen, life It just is.
01:35:54.764 --> 01:36:01.003
It is happening around you all the time and comparing your life to other people's lives is a terrible idea.
01:36:01.113 --> 01:36:01.354
Yeah.
01:36:01.404 --> 01:36:05.724
Because you might think that, oh well these people aren't from a divorced family.
01:36:05.783 --> 01:36:09.583
Well, there are plenty of people who are married who scream at each other all the time.
01:36:09.713 --> 01:36:09.963
Right.
01:36:09.963 --> 01:36:11.184
And that's not healthy either.
01:36:11.194 --> 01:36:11.224
Right.
01:36:11.224 --> 01:36:15.594
Or these people are married but one of them is dealing with stage 4 cancer.
01:36:15.899 --> 01:36:17.809
Like you cannot compare your life.
01:36:17.828 --> 01:36:24.189
Your mother and I did not work this way But you are loved loved loved and this is what your life looks like.
01:36:24.399 --> 01:36:28.078
It's okay and some of that stuff I feel like we don't talk to our kids enough about.
01:36:28.109 --> 01:36:29.019
Yeah, for sure.
01:36:29.359 --> 01:36:32.618
You know, we've taken this We've taken the stance that kids can't do anything.
01:36:32.828 --> 01:36:49.123
Yeah anymore like my last guest Joseph Vanderlund He said that he kind of rocks with the worldview that everybody's Kind of doing the best they can most of the time You bet you know when you when you have that attitude and that's not always true.
01:36:49.123 --> 01:36:53.163
Some people are nasty sons of bitches Yeah, they'd be run over by a truck.
01:36:53.184 --> 01:36:54.333
Yeah, you know, yeah.
01:36:54.703 --> 01:36:55.354
Well, they're there.
01:36:55.354 --> 01:36:56.854
Oh, they've always been out there, right?
01:36:56.854 --> 01:37:02.043
I think we're fed it a lot more Sometimes there's too much information people think that the world is bad.
01:37:02.043 --> 01:37:11.413
The world is tough The world is this but it's nothing very few people actually know you walk in Even like my parents who who are Democrat, like hardcore Democrats.
01:37:11.884 --> 01:37:13.783
They live in a very conservative town.
01:37:14.113 --> 01:37:14.644
Where is this?
01:37:14.654 --> 01:37:15.673
Rogue River, Oregon.
01:37:15.764 --> 01:37:16.173
Okay.
01:37:16.293 --> 01:37:21.113
Those same people that do not get along with them politically, They hold the door open for each other.
01:37:21.154 --> 01:37:21.444
Sure.
01:37:21.484 --> 01:37:24.154
They sit there and wait for the person to turn in in front of them.
01:37:24.154 --> 01:37:25.484
They are so sweet to each other.
01:37:25.493 --> 01:37:27.293
That is the basis of human nature.
01:37:27.373 --> 01:37:27.764
Yeah.
01:37:27.844 --> 01:37:31.463
And I really think 99 out of 110 are that way.
01:37:31.854 --> 01:37:33.253
And I choose to live my life that way.
01:37:33.253 --> 01:37:35.573
And I have told my kids to always be cautious.
01:37:35.913 --> 01:37:38.264
But continue to live their life that way.
01:37:38.323 --> 01:37:38.623
Yeah.
01:37:38.923 --> 01:37:40.073
It's just not fun if you don't.
01:37:40.844 --> 01:37:42.993
If you're just always thinking of what's the worst thing to come.
01:37:43.253 --> 01:37:43.474
Yeah.
01:37:43.474 --> 01:37:44.163
There's no way to live.
01:37:44.274 --> 01:37:44.604
Yeah.
01:37:45.014 --> 01:37:50.759
Um, I got the hint of, uh, maybe there's somebody been, um, With Romantically for a while now.
01:37:50.759 --> 01:37:53.538
Do you want to talk about this person in the family segment here?
01:37:53.538 --> 01:37:54.469
Yeah, yeah, she's great.
01:37:54.469 --> 01:37:55.689
Her name is Chantel Lopez.
01:37:55.689 --> 01:37:58.118
We were, um, we were introduced.
01:37:58.118 --> 01:37:59.548
I'm sure you're going to listen to this, probably.
01:37:59.809 --> 01:38:00.458
She definitely will.
01:38:00.458 --> 01:38:01.788
She does podcasts of her own.
01:38:01.819 --> 01:38:02.248
Oh, really?
01:38:02.639 --> 01:38:03.509
Do you want to plug it?
01:38:03.548 --> 01:38:05.298
I don't even remember the name.
01:38:05.298 --> 01:38:07.118
Chantel Lopez.
01:38:07.128 --> 01:38:11.069
She's done, yeah, she does, um, Skillful teaching.
01:38:11.078 --> 01:38:15.698
She's got a ton of stuff, but I can't make, they just started a new podcast and I don't remember the name.
01:38:15.798 --> 01:38:16.859
So I apologize.
01:38:16.908 --> 01:38:17.368
That's okay.
01:38:17.609 --> 01:38:20.599
Um, but we don't, we don't push each other that way.
01:38:20.838 --> 01:38:22.529
We just don't, we have a very different relationship.
01:38:22.578 --> 01:38:24.279
Um, she lives in Sacramento, California.
01:38:24.288 --> 01:38:24.649
Oh, wow.
01:38:24.658 --> 01:38:28.769
We were introduced by, uh, friends who are no longer together, but we're at together.
01:38:28.779 --> 01:38:32.439
And I remember both of them saying separately, man, you guys are like.
01:38:32.844 --> 01:38:35.194
Very similar on your approach to life.
01:38:36.003 --> 01:38:38.394
And I would just, I have never been looking.
01:38:38.503 --> 01:38:43.913
I'm not, I'm not the kind of guy that's just, you don't feel an absence when you're alone.
01:38:43.953 --> 01:38:44.274
Nope.
01:38:44.533 --> 01:38:44.793
Nope.
01:38:44.873 --> 01:38:45.554
Absolutely not.
01:38:45.554 --> 01:38:45.783
Yeah.
01:38:45.783 --> 01:38:48.394
So, and I spent, I spent the time doing the work.
01:38:49.774 --> 01:38:51.003
Being alone is not easy.
01:38:51.014 --> 01:38:53.484
It's like people don't give themselves, I get lonely.
01:38:53.484 --> 01:38:56.054
You know, my wife was gone, you know, for almost a week.
01:38:56.083 --> 01:38:57.644
That's because you are, I've been there.
01:38:57.644 --> 01:38:59.844
It's like, so for me, post divorce, like.
01:39:00.444 --> 01:39:06.113
You, you feel all that, and then it slowly fades, and it slowly fades, and you learn to be by yourself.
01:39:06.113 --> 01:39:09.524
You learn to enjoy, like most of my days now, I enjoy mountain biking.
01:39:09.573 --> 01:39:10.923
You're still by yourself a lot.
01:39:10.923 --> 01:39:11.623
I still, I love it.
01:39:11.654 --> 01:39:12.293
I love my time.
01:39:12.293 --> 01:39:16.134
Yeah, see, I like mountain biking with some of my friends.
01:39:16.134 --> 01:39:16.264
Yeah.
01:39:16.748 --> 01:39:20.458
Uh, you know, I like going to places and doing things with people.
01:39:20.469 --> 01:39:21.759
Well, and I have a ton of that.
01:39:21.759 --> 01:39:22.939
I have so many musical friends.
01:39:23.658 --> 01:39:24.639
I never feel lonely.
01:39:24.649 --> 01:39:27.269
And I have cats who love me.
01:39:27.269 --> 01:39:28.158
I love my cats.
01:39:28.229 --> 01:39:29.988
Did you see Chantel once a month or something?
01:39:29.988 --> 01:39:33.269
Yeah, so Chantel and I make the effort and we're both adventurers.
01:39:33.279 --> 01:39:36.599
So we, our relationship started on two motorcycles.
01:39:36.809 --> 01:39:37.029
Okay.
01:39:37.168 --> 01:39:39.759
And so she's put a ton of miles on motorcycles.
01:39:39.759 --> 01:39:42.979
And we, we first, our first dates were like, let's meet.
01:39:43.479 --> 01:39:47.509
And we'll go right around Utah like we have had just this great start and.
01:39:47.854 --> 01:39:50.753
She's got kids of her own, and doing her thing, and I have kids of my own.
01:39:50.753 --> 01:39:54.123
Until they're done with high school, she's gonna be there, where is she at?
01:39:54.134 --> 01:39:54.923
What part of California?
01:39:54.923 --> 01:39:55.423
Yeah, Sacramento.
01:39:55.493 --> 01:39:56.234
Sacramento, okay.
01:39:56.394 --> 01:39:59.703
Yeah, we never, we never, we just never make each other feel bad.
01:39:59.724 --> 01:40:04.453
We've both lived that life, and we know how we want to love, and we align a lot.
01:40:04.453 --> 01:40:06.783
So you're committed to one another, just from afar right now.
01:40:06.854 --> 01:40:07.724
Yeah, it's fabulous.
01:40:07.724 --> 01:40:10.654
It's been, it's just, I mean, it's the most healthy relationship I have ever had.
01:40:11.823 --> 01:40:12.154
That's cool.
01:40:12.184 --> 01:40:12.463
Yeah.
01:40:12.503 --> 01:40:13.323
Or I wouldn't do it.
01:40:13.724 --> 01:40:14.333
And she knows that.
01:40:14.333 --> 01:40:19.573
I mean, if she was here and I had my ear, you asked her, what's the one thing about Max?
01:40:19.573 --> 01:40:20.873
She would say boundaries.
01:40:21.363 --> 01:40:26.594
He does not, he's, and, and it's, we've like learned to grow from each other that way.
01:40:26.663 --> 01:40:27.444
It's just been fabulous.
01:40:27.453 --> 01:40:29.104
How old are her kids?
01:40:29.323 --> 01:40:30.503
18 and 10.
01:40:30.948 --> 01:40:34.179
Oh, so it's gonna be a little while before she moves away from Sacramento.
01:40:34.229 --> 01:40:36.729
I'm just about to start, I mean, I'm gunning for this music career again.
01:40:36.738 --> 01:40:41.859
Well, and you've got this album that's coming out, and you're probably gonna be on tour pretty soon, opening for U2 or some bullsh*t.
01:40:41.859 --> 01:40:43.748
Yeah, yeah, it's just not a, it's just not a relationship.
01:40:43.748 --> 01:40:44.988
Who would be your ideal?
01:40:45.679 --> 01:40:47.088
Uh, open for?
01:40:47.179 --> 01:40:47.819
Oh, yeah.
01:40:47.819 --> 01:40:48.609
Great question.
01:40:48.878 --> 01:40:55.668
Well, my sights are pretty low, but there is a, there's a management company out of Louisville called 7S Management.
01:40:55.668 --> 01:40:56.038
Okay.
01:40:56.219 --> 01:40:59.238
And I want on that management company so bad.
01:40:59.238 --> 01:41:01.168
Oh, you just want them to plug you in different places?
01:41:01.168 --> 01:41:04.639
Yeah, if you open 7S and you start scrolling through their artists.
01:41:04.769 --> 01:41:09.769
One of the, there's a, there's a gal who's in one more step above me named Madeline Hawthorne.
01:41:09.779 --> 01:41:10.538
She's on it.
01:41:11.104 --> 01:41:17.184
And you know, they help put her on tour and you can open for some of the higher ups on that label.
01:41:17.194 --> 01:41:19.904
Like it's a really, I want on that.
01:41:19.904 --> 01:41:26.774
And some of their artists are like Dawes and Andy Frasno in the UK and some bands that I would love.
01:41:26.793 --> 01:41:27.654
Big Head Todd.
01:41:27.804 --> 01:41:28.243
Oh yeah.
01:41:28.283 --> 01:41:29.543
I would love to go support.
01:41:29.613 --> 01:41:30.634
I've seen Big Head Todd a couple of times.
01:41:31.043 --> 01:41:32.144
You can open for Big Head Todd.
01:41:32.154 --> 01:41:32.703
I could do it.
01:41:32.703 --> 01:41:33.511
I opened for Shakedown Street.
01:41:33.511 --> 01:41:35.634
You could be like the open for the open to Big Head Todd.
01:41:35.634 --> 01:41:36.054
Sure.
01:41:36.404 --> 01:41:38.413
I opened for Shakedown Street solo.
01:41:38.673 --> 01:41:39.054
Cool.
01:41:39.144 --> 01:41:39.734
I crushed it.
01:41:40.538 --> 01:41:40.868
Crushed.
01:41:40.868 --> 01:41:43.509
I got such good people were like, dude, only you could pull that off.
01:41:43.569 --> 01:41:43.748
Yeah.
01:41:43.748 --> 01:41:45.939
Like you just totally crushed it again.
01:41:45.939 --> 01:41:48.969
Are you doing, are you like looping Grateful Dead kind of tribute stuff?
01:41:48.969 --> 01:41:51.668
Well, so there idea like that or is that, you better leave that for them.
01:41:51.698 --> 01:41:53.769
I left it, I did one song, I did Loser.
01:41:53.889 --> 01:41:54.038
Yeah.
01:41:54.038 --> 01:41:55.628
Everything else I did was mine.
01:41:55.634 --> 01:41:57.849
Or I did like the weight so people could sing along with me.
01:41:57.854 --> 01:41:58.389
It was great.
01:41:58.394 --> 01:41:58.474
Yeah.
01:41:58.479 --> 01:41:58.719
Yeah.
01:41:58.748 --> 01:42:00.753
400 people singing along this really fabulous.
01:42:00.753 --> 01:42:01.269
That's really cool.
01:42:01.599 --> 01:42:02.498
Yeah, so that was fun.
01:42:02.498 --> 01:42:03.399
So yeah, family.
01:42:03.863 --> 01:42:05.283
It's good for me.
01:42:05.394 --> 01:42:08.654
I'm in a really great spot with it, with my kids and the time I get to spend.
01:42:08.654 --> 01:42:09.984
My parents, I'm the youngest of four.
01:42:09.984 --> 01:42:11.764
So my, my folks are getting old.
01:42:11.793 --> 01:42:14.083
They were kind of checked out of parenting by the time you came along.
01:42:14.083 --> 01:42:14.373
Really?
01:42:14.713 --> 01:42:15.163
What's that?
01:42:15.554 --> 01:42:16.944
So they were checked out of parenting.
01:42:16.974 --> 01:42:17.354
Yes.
01:42:18.043 --> 01:42:23.194
I mean, great stories about my oldest of four and my youngest brother barely got parented at all.
01:42:23.234 --> 01:42:26.724
My grandmother had to come in because I could not admit my mom was like done potty training.
01:42:27.844 --> 01:42:30.184
She's like, I'm over it over a lot of things.
01:42:30.524 --> 01:42:30.913
with me.
01:42:30.913 --> 01:42:34.783
So my grandmother came and did some, but yeah, four.
01:42:34.913 --> 01:42:38.043
And my dad was a full time teacher and building us a home.
01:42:38.154 --> 01:42:38.564
Oh, cool.
01:42:38.573 --> 01:42:40.323
So he, in Alaska, it's light all the time.
01:42:40.684 --> 01:42:42.224
In like, Anchorage, Fairbanks?
01:42:42.274 --> 01:42:42.804
Anchorage, yeah.
01:42:42.804 --> 01:42:43.404
Anchorage, okay.
01:42:43.404 --> 01:42:47.564
So he would work all day, and then he and his buddy were building this log house for two years.
01:42:47.863 --> 01:42:48.264
That's cool.
01:42:48.274 --> 01:42:50.134
My mom just was like, gonna kill everybody.
01:42:50.713 --> 01:42:51.594
Stuck with four kids.
01:42:52.418 --> 01:42:58.309
And a toddler, you know, you know, we're not going to have time to, we might have to have you back for number two, you bring a guitar.
01:42:58.349 --> 01:42:58.748
Okay.
01:42:58.828 --> 01:43:00.918
Um, and we can have some music.
01:43:00.929 --> 01:43:02.918
We can learn more about the Alaska upbringings.
01:43:02.918 --> 01:43:03.248
Yeah.
01:43:03.618 --> 01:43:05.408
I can just play some songs, talk some more about the album.
01:43:05.429 --> 01:43:05.618
Yeah.
01:43:05.618 --> 01:43:09.779
Once it's out, you know, hopefully it's sooner than later because you said five ish.
01:43:09.838 --> 01:43:10.118
Sure.
01:43:10.158 --> 01:43:13.309
We still have faith and politics still.
01:43:13.319 --> 01:43:13.748
Politics.
01:43:13.748 --> 01:43:15.408
I could probably wrap some of this up pretty quick.
01:43:15.408 --> 01:43:20.319
So faith for me is, um, uh, it's very singular.
01:43:20.509 --> 01:43:21.439
It's just for me.
01:43:21.899 --> 01:43:23.519
I honestly, I don't understand.
01:43:23.519 --> 01:43:24.238
Nobody's organize.
01:43:24.238 --> 01:43:24.418
Nobody.
01:43:24.418 --> 01:43:25.439
It's none of nobody's business.
01:43:25.588 --> 01:43:25.618
Okay.
01:43:25.679 --> 01:43:28.078
I've never understood, like we're in the same room together.
01:43:28.083 --> 01:43:28.498
Yeah, yeah.
01:43:28.559 --> 01:43:33.479
But our views are totally different of what we're seeing and so trying to mash that in.
01:43:33.479 --> 01:43:34.588
I've never understood organized.
01:43:34.588 --> 01:43:35.849
You see a white door though, right?
01:43:35.998 --> 01:43:37.020
I don't, I'm seeing this.
01:43:37.168 --> 01:43:37.738
This, yeah.
01:43:37.738 --> 01:43:43.588
If o might look right in our spider plant, but I just mean in general you can never really be the same.
01:43:43.588 --> 01:43:45.783
Even if, if we try so hard to talk about this wine.
01:43:46.814 --> 01:43:48.823
we're not gonna quite understand it the same.
01:43:48.913 --> 01:43:49.123
Yeah.
01:43:49.184 --> 01:43:57.253
And so one of the things for me that I just have never understood is, is that part of organized religion, and I'm a history major, my brother is a master's degree in history.
01:43:57.259 --> 01:43:57.314
Yeah.
01:43:57.314 --> 01:43:58.844
My father's a PhD in history.
01:43:59.359 --> 01:43:59.519
Interesting.
01:43:59.533 --> 01:44:05.404
And it's just so much, so much church human strife over religion.
01:44:06.514 --> 01:44:08.043
And so, yes.
01:44:08.314 --> 01:44:10.623
And I think, you know, this is just, again, this is just my view.
01:44:10.623 --> 01:44:11.314
No, I wanna hear it.
01:44:11.344 --> 01:44:12.064
Yeah.
01:44:12.064 --> 01:44:12.064
Yeah.
01:44:12.064 --> 01:44:14.224
And so, um, and growth too though, don't you think?
01:44:15.583 --> 01:44:23.634
Like wars have caused untold human strife and they've, we've invented radios and airplanes because of it and stuff, right?
01:44:23.634 --> 01:44:31.213
I mean, I guess it's just the way it has gone, but you know, now it's like, we just, you know, Elon Musk launches these, we do such amazing things.
01:44:31.969 --> 01:44:41.198
You know, there's this, you know, this 19 satellites across the sky and everybody's can have internet now, and then we're still fighting a 4, 000 year old war and people are dying.
01:44:41.198 --> 01:44:42.158
With Israel and Palestine.
01:44:42.208 --> 01:44:47.238
Yeah, just like, I just, I just like, sometimes I feel like it's such a hold back to me.
01:44:47.298 --> 01:44:49.998
Oftentimes from somebody who doesn't really, I'm not in that.
01:44:50.269 --> 01:44:52.538
I want to challenge you with a little bit of that though.
01:44:52.679 --> 01:44:53.048
Sure, sure.
01:44:53.048 --> 01:44:54.998
Because I think.
01:44:55.729 --> 01:45:00.389
Faith in some ways is like a bit of the, the, the search for truth.
01:45:01.109 --> 01:45:17.578
And like, we've got the situation now where like there's new legislation coming through Congress where you can't adopt a kid unless you agree to like honor their, uh, gender preferences when they become of age or different things like that.
01:45:17.809 --> 01:45:23.559
And so there's this crisis where Christians might literally not be either allowed or willing.
01:45:24.484 --> 01:45:26.953
To adopt infants anymore.
01:45:26.953 --> 01:45:28.953
And Christians are like two thirds of the thing.
01:45:29.323 --> 01:45:32.573
Well, and is that because there's more than two genders?
01:45:32.694 --> 01:45:38.024
I just think that's very, I mean, that's like from somebody on the other side, I think that's the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.
01:45:38.814 --> 01:45:44.198
But you would not choose to care for this child because your strange belief.
01:45:45.338 --> 01:45:49.059
What's allows you not the strange belief that you can't love something for who they are.
01:45:49.208 --> 01:45:50.078
Well, that's fair.
01:45:50.139 --> 01:45:52.118
I mean, it, it should fair stop right there.
01:45:52.118 --> 01:45:53.828
In my opinion, it should stop right there.
01:45:53.828 --> 01:46:00.109
You either love this person, but you don't get to love with rules, in my opinion.
01:46:00.168 --> 01:46:00.889
Yeah, no, that's fair.
01:46:00.948 --> 01:46:07.219
I mean, it's like if you, but what's truth, I guess, and that's, I that an extreme example of what I just shared there, but, um.
01:46:08.543 --> 01:46:22.333
Like the Christians, I believe in this kind of current culture war situation, if you will, are the ones that are saying like, and I'm not, and they, they good ones do love anybody.
01:46:22.404 --> 01:46:22.814
Sure.
01:46:23.033 --> 01:46:24.073
They love the gays.
01:46:24.123 --> 01:46:24.384
Sure.
01:46:24.434 --> 01:46:25.363
They love the trans.
01:46:25.493 --> 01:46:25.783
Sure.
01:46:25.823 --> 01:46:27.083
They love everybody.
01:46:27.144 --> 01:46:27.654
Just a human.
01:46:27.663 --> 01:46:30.703
And, and truth is truth as well.
01:46:30.764 --> 01:46:33.604
And like, but truth is yours is your truth.
01:46:33.604 --> 01:46:34.173
And my truth.
01:46:34.173 --> 01:46:34.823
That's what I'm saying.
01:46:34.833 --> 01:46:36.113
Yeah, I do think so.
01:46:36.113 --> 01:46:46.134
It's like, I think we're in the same, Place so it's relative always but you what you think and what you believe Yes is guided from you from when you are a baby child, right?
01:46:46.194 --> 01:46:54.583
So what I mean like the same two kids can grow up next door, but if one kid they both have parents but if one kid is Treated a certain way.
01:46:54.993 --> 01:47:01.594
They just they are different, you know They are just there their truth of the world is like my dad hit me, right?
01:47:01.594 --> 01:47:03.703
And so it's like you're gonna say that's not true.
01:47:03.703 --> 01:47:14.878
It's like well that is theirs and so You So I feel like as soon as you start applying labels and you start applying versions of what you think, then you're, you're start to Sure.
01:47:14.899 --> 01:47:20.389
Well, and I'm not saying that, that you have to believe in Jesus to have no two things or whatever.
01:47:20.759 --> 01:47:25.899
Um, one question on that front though, like, is there a creator for us?
01:47:26.918 --> 01:47:28.288
Like, is there a Big Bang?
01:47:28.309 --> 01:47:30.009
Yeah, like, so here's a great example.
01:47:30.029 --> 01:47:30.868
Yeah, talk to me about that.
01:47:31.259 --> 01:47:32.639
Do you have a perception of that?
01:47:32.639 --> 01:47:36.998
Well, so, as someone who lives with gratitude, I often am wondering, like, where is it?
01:47:37.038 --> 01:47:37.868
Where does it go?
01:47:38.319 --> 01:47:39.618
Where do I want to apply it?
01:47:40.118 --> 01:48:11.913
Um, and so my own feelings of who might have made me and who might have feel, I mean, I just feel so, you bet, but it's like, I don't owe, I don't owe anybody an explanation to that, for that, in my opinion, you know, like my ex wife and her family are very more, um, straightforward Christian and, you bet, and so they're constantly like feeling like, you know, Well, we are scared for you because this, and I'm like, don't worry.
01:48:11.913 --> 01:48:16.493
I mean, I just feel like you just don't have to worry about me just because I don't believe what you think.
01:48:16.613 --> 01:48:19.863
It doesn't mean I'm actually don't have the same relationship.
01:48:19.873 --> 01:48:29.123
I just don't feel like going to a room with similar people and listening to a guy who is no resource and oftentimes a misguided resource.
01:48:29.123 --> 01:48:31.793
Oh, there's a lot of terrible Christians out there.
01:48:31.814 --> 01:48:32.064
Yeah.
01:48:32.203 --> 01:48:35.073
So I just feel like you just, and I know why people do it.
01:48:35.073 --> 01:48:35.793
I know why.
01:48:35.793 --> 01:48:37.944
It's the same reason why biker gangs are around.
01:48:37.944 --> 01:48:45.463
It's like when you don't, when you don't, it's like it's being some, some level of community is actually pretty essential for humans.
01:48:45.493 --> 01:48:46.333
Absolutely it is.
01:48:46.458 --> 01:49:05.889
And there are plenty of fabulous, you know, I'm not downgrading all organized religion or people who go, and it's your decision is your decision to my, but when I hear things like what you said, I feel sad because when you are a parent, there's a great, there's a great line in this movie called fried green tomatoes.
01:49:06.309 --> 01:49:31.988
When she gives birth to a kid with a with a struggle I can't remember what it is, but he's got some sort of and the whole time They're like we could we could kill the embryo we could blah blah blah And she was like I got the best 15 years with my child ever I never saw a single thing wrong with him and that's what it means to be a parent and to love something It's like and if you are applying Yeah, I think you misunderstood my conversation about that adoption stuff earlier.
01:49:32.139 --> 01:49:39.259
Yeah, and maybe I did, but I was just thinking like, for someone who can't, who would choose not to, who choose not to adopt.
01:49:40.019 --> 01:49:46.109
Because of, of, uh, their belief in something that, that for me, I was, maybe that's what I took from it.
01:49:46.439 --> 01:49:48.238
And I was just like, well, that's just a shame.
01:49:48.298 --> 01:49:53.838
No, it was more about, you can't raise this child as your own child.
01:49:53.859 --> 01:49:54.208
Kind of.
01:49:54.208 --> 01:49:56.708
It's like a, a prisoner of the state.
01:49:56.738 --> 01:49:59.548
Almost like you have to raise them how the state wants them to be.
01:49:59.698 --> 01:50:09.234
Oh, well, I guess I was thinking they were thinking like, If a child is a boy and decides it wants to be a girl, then who, then great.
01:50:09.904 --> 01:50:10.913
I mean, great, fair.
01:50:10.913 --> 01:50:15.783
I mean, I feel like that's, you know, I mean, I think a ton, I think, well, I won't even go in that.
01:50:15.944 --> 01:50:16.743
That's such a rare thing.
01:50:17.184 --> 01:50:23.463
I feel like most of those boys that decide they should be a girl are really just gay boys.
01:50:24.144 --> 01:50:24.173
Yeah.
01:50:24.314 --> 01:50:25.144
Just who knows?
01:50:25.173 --> 01:50:28.113
I don't know nearly enough about it to have an opinion.
01:50:28.154 --> 01:50:29.134
All I know is that.
01:50:29.394 --> 01:50:29.583
Yeah.
01:50:29.583 --> 01:50:30.594
We got into a weird tangent.
01:50:30.634 --> 01:50:31.073
That's okay.
01:50:31.073 --> 01:50:32.003
Honestly, we're fine.
01:50:32.014 --> 01:50:33.323
It's like, I just.
01:50:33.753 --> 01:50:42.793
Nobody, it's just so, it's such a, there's so much things that are just unknown and to start trying to control those things is when it gets real dicey for other people.
01:50:42.863 --> 01:50:44.373
Yeah, no, I do agree with that.
01:50:44.373 --> 01:50:48.793
People should develop their own thoughts and not be indoctrinated in anything.
01:50:48.804 --> 01:51:00.264
Yeah, I think kids, honestly, and I'm not pointing this towards the whole identity thing, but I think kids in general, and we have done this as this generation, we have too much time.
01:51:00.689 --> 01:51:01.149
Totally.
01:51:01.168 --> 01:51:01.899
Too much time.
01:51:01.929 --> 01:51:02.479
Too easy.
01:51:02.479 --> 01:51:02.599
You can't.
01:51:02.618 --> 01:51:04.198
My poor kids couldn't even get a job.
01:51:04.238 --> 01:51:04.658
Right.
01:51:04.729 --> 01:51:07.609
The only place that would, every place is like, Oh, 18 or above.
01:51:07.689 --> 01:51:07.918
Right.
01:51:07.929 --> 01:51:09.269
It's like, how can kids even get started?
01:51:09.269 --> 01:51:11.769
We demand that they grow up and demand that they do these things.
01:51:11.958 --> 01:51:12.389
Right.
01:51:12.429 --> 01:51:15.128
But they're, we don't allow them to do anything.
01:51:15.708 --> 01:51:16.649
It's really a shame.
01:51:16.658 --> 01:51:23.814
Like I was working at 14 and I'm not like a proponent of, of, you know, the old days, but what I know is, right.
01:51:24.203 --> 01:51:48.548
I what's that saying idle idle hands of the devil's playground seriously, like Nothing to do and you're flipping around your phone adults the same i'm like people are on facebook Yammering on about things i'm like go do something right go f*cking take a walk Go for a bike ride go work in your garden go do something That is good for you or good for the, your neighborhood or just go do things.
01:51:48.548 --> 01:51:54.628
And when you don't do things, that's what happens is you just have, you start to make up and kids just don't know anything anyway.
01:51:54.969 --> 01:52:02.128
I always say the, the dumbest mammal or the dumbest part of this thing is the hom*o sapien male, 15 to 25.
01:52:02.559 --> 01:52:06.609
I mean, you just, and I was there, like, you don't know anything and you think you know it all.
01:52:07.054 --> 01:52:08.163
You do the dumbest things.
01:52:09.253 --> 01:52:18.764
It's like, you know, when you are working and you have responsibilities somewhat, you just do not have the same time to worry about.
01:52:19.604 --> 01:52:22.913
I don't, what, what do I, you know, I need an opinion on this.
01:52:22.913 --> 01:52:24.173
Well, sometimes you just don't need an opinion.
01:52:24.694 --> 01:52:26.913
You just got to go get your stuff done.
01:52:26.913 --> 01:52:33.873
And we, you know, in the old days when you had kids because you had needed someone to milk the cow, it's like there was a lot less.
01:52:34.783 --> 01:52:45.444
Well, there's no pressure on the situation now and so much information these days, so much information, misinformation, well, the community has been lost to do that.
01:52:45.463 --> 01:52:59.594
Like there isn't really, like you talked about a little bit about some communities and there's, you know, band followers and different things, but my, I'm in a rotary club and it's one of the few that has more members now than it did 10 years ago in our whole state.
01:52:59.734 --> 01:53:00.404
That's so great.
01:53:00.413 --> 01:53:01.873
But it's one of very few.
01:53:01.873 --> 01:53:01.923
Yeah.
01:53:01.923 --> 01:53:02.203
Yeah.
01:53:02.203 --> 01:53:03.623
And everybody wants to do.
01:53:04.248 --> 01:53:06.288
They've some, not everybody, but yeah.
01:53:06.288 --> 01:53:08.658
Or they just don't know how busy doing stuff.
01:53:08.658 --> 01:53:09.889
I don't know what people are so busy.
01:53:09.889 --> 01:53:11.269
Do you know what I did during the pandemic?
01:53:11.309 --> 01:53:14.899
I built a front patio, not a backyard.
01:53:15.179 --> 01:53:15.988
Colorado is the best.
01:53:16.444 --> 01:53:18.274
Ultimate sin of everything.
01:53:19.184 --> 01:53:20.184
Our backyard is awesome.
01:53:20.404 --> 01:53:22.384
I sit out front of the sunshines for us.
01:53:22.413 --> 01:53:30.974
Well, so for me, I sit out front and I see, I live on metal arc, which is right by baby all morning, I see parents go by with their kids on scooters walking.
01:53:31.623 --> 01:53:34.873
I see on a wave and they wave back and we say good morning.
01:53:34.884 --> 01:53:35.413
And it's like.
01:53:35.944 --> 01:53:40.123
I'm the only one who has a front porch on this beautiful street full of beautiful people.
01:53:40.123 --> 01:53:44.854
It's like more people need front porches and waving and saying hi to their neighbors.
01:53:44.863 --> 01:53:47.094
And do you know, uh, Scott Jennings by chance?
01:53:47.944 --> 01:53:48.543
I don't think so.
01:53:48.554 --> 01:53:50.564
He's the founder of Chiba Hut actually.
01:53:50.564 --> 01:53:51.144
Oh, okay.
01:53:51.194 --> 01:53:53.033
And his voice is pretty much the same as yours.
01:53:54.854 --> 01:53:57.804
Like gravelly old faces or something.
01:53:57.984 --> 01:53:58.444
How funny.
01:53:58.474 --> 01:53:59.423
We'll have you on together sometime.
01:53:59.434 --> 01:53:59.844
I love this.
01:53:59.913 --> 01:54:00.634
I love that place.
01:54:01.113 --> 01:54:02.203
It's the best.
01:54:02.203 --> 01:54:04.243
So we did faith, family, and.
01:54:04.463 --> 01:54:05.314
Politics.
01:54:05.323 --> 01:54:05.564
Yes.
01:54:05.564 --> 01:54:05.804
Yeah.
01:54:05.804 --> 01:54:06.554
So here's my.
01:54:06.594 --> 01:54:08.923
Who do you like in February or in November?
01:54:08.953 --> 01:54:12.673
I mean, um, I just, I guess, no, it's okay.
01:54:12.673 --> 01:54:14.104
I can just debates this week though.
01:54:14.163 --> 01:54:15.134
I know the first one.
01:54:15.173 --> 01:54:17.314
Um, I have my thoughts on politics.
01:54:17.323 --> 01:54:18.073
I wish.
01:54:18.628 --> 01:54:28.918
That people who were, I mean, if we're just going for right for the presidency, um, I wish that the folks who are running for president were more in tune with, I wish they were more like you and me.
01:54:28.948 --> 01:54:30.399
Well, I wish that they had an idea.
01:54:30.399 --> 01:54:32.448
I mean, like my kids don't have anything.
01:54:32.609 --> 01:54:33.019
They're what?
01:54:33.019 --> 01:54:34.109
78 and 84.
01:54:34.599 --> 01:54:34.998
Right.
01:54:35.889 --> 01:54:37.158
They don't have any idea.
01:54:37.179 --> 01:54:40.179
They don't have represent what kids feel about the future.
01:54:40.179 --> 01:54:44.059
I mean, this is still such profit driven culture in that level.
01:54:44.309 --> 01:54:47.479
Profit, profit, profit, profit from really both sides.
01:54:47.498 --> 01:54:48.009
And I would.
01:54:48.474 --> 01:54:51.484
For me, it's like, I would, there's only one way I'm voting.
01:54:51.484 --> 01:54:53.594
I don't know if I should need to say it because it just makes everybody angry.
01:54:54.474 --> 01:54:56.184
Yeah, it's just, it's just not Trump.
01:54:56.993 --> 01:55:00.913
For me, it's just not, it's not, I still, I still vote for the person.
01:55:00.913 --> 01:55:03.434
You know, I feel like I'm somewhere in the middle always.
01:55:04.054 --> 01:55:08.234
I don't, I just want somebody who reps, wants desperately to represent.
01:55:08.234 --> 01:55:11.064
So, uh, would you like to vote for RFK instead of Biden?
01:55:12.014 --> 01:55:13.323
Yeah, I just saw that he's in there.
01:55:13.323 --> 01:55:17.073
Actually, I was, when I was home with my parents, we Googled, there's seven presidents running.
01:55:17.644 --> 01:55:17.884
Yeah.
01:55:17.894 --> 01:55:18.123
Seven people.
01:55:18.123 --> 01:55:26.304
You never see But there's only, like, there's Trump, Biden, and then RFK is floating around 15 percent in the polls, but they just co*ckblocked him from the debate here.
01:55:26.394 --> 01:55:26.944
Oh, they did?
01:55:26.974 --> 01:55:28.003
Yeah, totally.
01:55:28.213 --> 01:55:28.764
Always.
01:55:29.083 --> 01:55:31.594
It just shows you, it's like, this money, it's just money wins.
01:55:31.594 --> 01:55:31.894
Yeah.
01:55:32.444 --> 01:55:42.748
Yeah, I, um, Um, but you tend to be, well, so where would you politics be without Trump without, or I just think, I just want, I mean, I don't know, I guess I don't honestly, I don't dwell enough in it.
01:55:42.748 --> 01:55:44.208
I don't listen to it all the time.
01:55:44.219 --> 01:55:52.918
I can't listen because oftentimes I feel like both sides are so compelling that I don't know where I land, you know, same with like the pandemic.
01:55:52.998 --> 01:56:01.399
One side will tell you all the things about vaccinations and the other ones were all telling you the way it's just like, where did you settle out with your head?
01:56:01.529 --> 01:56:03.078
I got the first round.
01:56:04.064 --> 01:56:05.514
And I never went back and got another one.
01:56:06.323 --> 01:56:07.234
I just never did it again.
01:56:07.274 --> 01:56:13.623
I was like, you know, I'm, I just, I think how do you feel about the mandates and stuff?
01:56:13.623 --> 01:56:17.384
I felt like that was a little over the top for nurses and stuff.
01:56:17.384 --> 01:56:25.863
They're like, sorry, you got sick with COVID, fighting COVID, but now we've got this new experimental vaccine and you have to take that if you want to keep your job.
01:56:25.894 --> 01:56:32.274
I know that stuff is really, I mean, honestly, how I feel about that, how I feel about everything, you know, how I feel about religion is.
01:56:33.009 --> 01:56:34.548
I just my heart hurts.
01:56:34.738 --> 01:56:57.868
Yeah, because it's just a tough it's enough tough place to be We haven't dealt with a global pandemic and instead of just being with walking with empathy for all sides People just chose so hard to be excited and he's so angry at each other and it just it's heartbreaking it's the same with a bad divorce like all I feel is just Empathy and sadness like i'm not a rabble rouser.
01:56:57.868 --> 01:57:05.224
I'm never going to be the guy marching I'm never going to be the loudest voice But what how it affects me is it makes me It hurts my life.
01:57:05.224 --> 01:57:35.819
It hurts me to yeah to be to around people so angry at each other right and divided and divided I just don't feel like like I just want to listen to music Well, there's just enough we can do so much better if we just support I always feel like that Which I know is a bit altruistic and silly But I just feel like there's always another way to look at things and sometimes we just choose this easy Responsive well people think that they think that it's easy I haven't looked at the challenges hard enough for the most part, like, like the abortion thing is really popular right now, right?
01:57:36.238 --> 01:57:40.088
Like it's really hard to say a woman shouldn't have control over her own body.
01:57:40.529 --> 01:57:41.668
I get that a hundred percent.
01:57:42.279 --> 01:57:50.158
And like, they're killing babies, lots and lots of babies, you know, and that seems, especially in a country that we're not even at a self.
01:57:50.838 --> 01:57:56.769
sustaining population situation now with our, you know, everybody's got like one kid and that just doesn't cut it.
01:57:56.769 --> 01:57:57.219
You need like 2.
01:57:57.219 --> 01:58:00.118
15 or something just to stay in the same population.
01:58:00.198 --> 01:58:00.559
Yeah.
01:58:00.569 --> 01:58:04.399
I guess I just feel like, I mean, it's just a tough one again.
01:58:04.498 --> 01:58:04.918
That's what I'm saying.
01:58:05.359 --> 01:58:08.448
If you can't recognize the hard questions, what if somebody is raped?
01:58:08.448 --> 01:58:10.908
What if somebody, you know, there's so many things.
01:58:10.908 --> 01:58:17.088
And for the longest time, it was like, But I think those things are being, those are used to divide us.
01:58:17.088 --> 01:58:17.458
I know.
01:58:17.479 --> 01:58:18.349
Those items.
01:58:18.399 --> 01:58:18.958
I know.
01:58:19.279 --> 01:58:23.458
Um, well let's, let's jump on to the loco experience, are you ready?
01:58:23.458 --> 01:58:24.248
Yeah, let's do it.
01:58:24.548 --> 01:58:27.408
The craziest experience that you're willing to share with our listeners.
01:58:27.548 --> 01:58:29.378
Yeah, crazy experience?
01:58:29.389 --> 01:58:30.628
Crazy experience, yeah.
01:58:31.298 --> 01:58:34.988
Could be a moment, a day, could be a year in the life.
01:58:35.059 --> 01:58:38.908
Yeah, I think um, I mean certainly I was asking if your leg was the craziest thing that ever happened to you.
01:58:38.908 --> 01:58:41.679
The leg was the hardest thing, and I've been through, I had my house burned.
01:58:42.444 --> 01:58:44.774
I bought a house in September and it burned in November.
01:58:45.423 --> 01:58:47.493
And I've had it, you know, I've gone through a Like when?
01:58:47.613 --> 01:58:48.963
It was 2016.
01:58:49.064 --> 01:58:49.503
Okay.
01:58:49.503 --> 01:58:49.873
Yeah.
01:58:50.453 --> 01:58:54.913
I've dealt, I feel like I've dealt with, you know, I, the divorce was sprung on me.
01:58:54.923 --> 01:59:00.408
Like I, it wasn't a thing that I, I mean, looking back, like I could see things that I wasn't able to see.
01:59:00.408 --> 01:59:06.373
But, you know, I just, I feel like I've gone through some tough things, but, um, I think the leg.
01:59:06.373 --> 01:59:06.423
Yeah.
01:59:07.003 --> 01:59:19.344
Was definitely easily the hardest thing because it pushed me to a place that I just had never been I had never been in in, you know, my life has been fairly things that happened.
01:59:19.344 --> 01:59:27.073
I could I could handle Yeah, this is the first thing that was out of my control and I thought at the time Yeah, this is the end came to a place of acceptance.
01:59:27.234 --> 01:59:29.793
Yeah Probably lose my leg and whatever.
01:59:29.844 --> 01:59:52.628
Well, actually when I decided to cut it off, you know, I'll take that route It was the ultimate acceptance of I know I can't live this way You I think anybody who lives in pain, if they could remove an appendage to make the pain go away, they certainly would, because people who like, people who live with, I don't know all the different forms of chronic pain, but My heart is just, I mean, I just can't even imagine it.
01:59:52.628 --> 02:00:04.139
Actually, Chantel works with a patient who his whole life, his body attacks itself and he has to wear, um, opioid patches and they won't give them to him because it's like, it's awful.
02:00:04.229 --> 02:00:06.899
And she just helps him if she doesn't help him move.
02:00:07.158 --> 02:00:09.208
She's a movement coach in general.
02:00:09.219 --> 02:00:12.708
She started with Pilates and she teaches teachers.
02:00:12.979 --> 02:00:20.448
She has her background is in body movement and just body chemistry and makeup, but she, you know, helps this guy twice a week.
02:00:20.889 --> 02:00:25.698
To move, you know, she will say she'd be the first one to say move or lose it.
02:00:25.868 --> 02:00:31.899
Yeah, move yourself Even if i've got some friends from moto house that are older I'm like, let's go to coffee.
02:00:32.248 --> 02:00:38.639
Even if you just get up and get dressed and go to your car and go to a coffee shop, it's like, you just cannot sit.
02:00:38.719 --> 02:00:45.998
I mean, I am a full knowledge of what happens if you sit too long, your muscles go away, they, your little protein chains disintegrate.
02:00:46.413 --> 02:00:46.963
It's terrible.
02:00:46.963 --> 02:00:47.413
It's crazy.
02:00:47.413 --> 02:00:50.173
How yeah, like I still can't move my ankle the same.
02:00:50.274 --> 02:00:54.203
Yeah, my ankle didn't even get hurt Really because it sat still for so long, right?
02:00:54.264 --> 02:00:55.144
I can't atrophied.
02:00:55.144 --> 02:00:59.163
Yeah, look at the oh, yeah You got look at the distance of how much I can raise.
02:00:59.253 --> 02:01:00.014
Mm hmm.
02:01:00.163 --> 02:01:04.753
It just won't go up anymore Yeah, so anyway, it's a bummer because it affects the rest of you.
02:01:04.963 --> 02:01:10.873
So move your body Well, and like you went into that surgery thinking yeah, they might cut that.
02:01:10.894 --> 02:01:13.423
Yeah Yeah, and I'll be here now.
02:01:13.564 --> 02:01:15.139
It seems like a huge Blessing.
02:01:15.189 --> 02:01:23.219
It's such, dude, I mean, I, again, like If I could hug kins fodder monthly and tell him, tell him anytime you want one.
02:01:23.309 --> 02:01:27.509
What he, he what, how he helped fix and sort my life out.
02:01:28.488 --> 02:01:30.769
Uh, you know, if he wouldn't have done that Right.
02:01:30.828 --> 02:01:32.208
And nobody else would've done it, you know.
02:01:32.238 --> 02:01:32.658
Yeah.
02:01:32.658 --> 02:01:32.659
Yeah.
02:01:32.719 --> 02:01:33.979
I was ready, I was ready to go.
02:01:33.979 --> 02:01:36.588
The kind of basically called an audible too on the like Yep.
02:01:36.588 --> 02:01:37.578
Treatment plan solutions.
02:01:37.578 --> 02:01:37.639
Yeah.
02:01:37.639 --> 02:01:39.798
He was like, I'm gonna go in there with all these things.
02:01:40.578 --> 02:01:41.569
be ready for what I see.
02:01:41.574 --> 02:01:41.613
Yeah.
02:01:41.654 --> 02:01:42.109
I woke up.
02:01:42.109 --> 02:01:42.618
This is great.
02:01:42.649 --> 02:01:45.469
'cause I woke up, like he said, it was like 90% we're doing the block.
02:01:45.649 --> 02:01:45.828
Yeah.
02:01:45.859 --> 02:01:47.149
But I'm gonna bring the knee in there.
02:01:47.774 --> 02:01:51.453
And the other 5 percent we might, you might wake up with no knee.
02:01:51.453 --> 02:01:53.764
So he was like, just be prepared for this.
02:01:53.764 --> 02:01:57.764
And so I had prepared myself and I woke up and the gal was.
02:01:58.458 --> 02:02:03.868
You know, you're foggy as all get totally that was like my 11th surgery under Under anesthesia.
02:02:04.158 --> 02:02:04.479
Yeah.
02:02:04.729 --> 02:02:07.908
Yeah, I got I got anesthesia.
02:02:08.038 --> 02:02:13.668
Maybe just once I broke my compound fracture of this leg Ten days before I graduated high school.
02:02:13.729 --> 02:02:16.439
Oh golly Some guys were racing.
02:02:17.019 --> 02:02:20.488
My horn honk was supposed to be the starting gun.
02:02:20.609 --> 02:02:30.083
So like one two, three go So they took off And got a little ways down and I took a motorcycle.
02:02:30.113 --> 02:02:30.274
Yeah.
02:02:30.274 --> 02:02:31.753
I'm on a motorcycle CB 400.
02:02:31.753 --> 02:02:32.123
Okay.
02:02:32.123 --> 02:02:34.503
78, 78.
02:02:34.533 --> 02:02:36.753
That was a pretty nice, a good one.
02:02:36.793 --> 02:02:37.944
It was top five still.
02:02:38.514 --> 02:02:39.673
And I was like, I'm taking off.
02:02:39.673 --> 02:02:40.673
I'm flying through the gears.
02:02:40.673 --> 02:02:42.033
I'm wearing dad's old helmet.
02:02:42.043 --> 02:02:44.194
That's all scratched up and going into the morning sun.
02:02:44.833 --> 02:02:46.054
And then Holy f*ck.
02:02:46.833 --> 02:02:50.484
I'll be damned if I'm coming up really fast on them.
02:02:51.373 --> 02:02:52.484
They got a bad start.
02:02:52.514 --> 02:02:53.434
They waved to each other.
02:02:53.434 --> 02:02:55.274
Let's stop and restart.
02:02:56.974 --> 02:03:02.014
And I'm sliding in on the back tire because I'm still a rookie.
02:03:02.344 --> 02:03:03.113
Uh, wasn't it?
02:03:03.123 --> 02:03:04.644
One of them didn't use the front brake enough.
02:03:04.644 --> 02:03:04.873
Yeah.
02:03:04.873 --> 02:03:11.783
Rear ended, uh, the Mercury marquee that Travis trout landed on the hood.
02:03:12.873 --> 02:03:15.884
Uh, busted leg broken via compound fracture.
02:03:15.913 --> 02:03:16.283
Yep.
02:03:16.384 --> 02:03:18.463
Just one of them, just the big one.
02:03:18.463 --> 02:03:25.243
And got up, walked back to dad's bike and started trying to pick it up and then went, ow, oh sh*t, my leg is.
02:03:25.623 --> 02:03:26.064
Broken.
02:03:26.064 --> 02:03:27.823
Dude.
02:03:27.823 --> 02:03:28.444
How old were you?
02:03:28.694 --> 02:03:29.104
Uh, 18.
02:03:29.123 --> 02:03:29.434
High school.
02:03:30.533 --> 02:03:30.884
17.
02:03:30.884 --> 02:03:32.003
I wasn't quite 18 yet.
02:03:32.003 --> 02:03:33.234
It was right before I graduated high school.
02:03:33.234 --> 02:03:33.644
What a different time.
02:03:33.644 --> 02:03:34.804
They put you in a cast and stuff back then.
02:03:34.814 --> 02:03:40.944
Oh yeah, like, uh, maybe 10 weeks with a full leg cast at a bend.
02:03:41.213 --> 02:03:45.094
I got to college and I had, like, my leg looked like my wrist.
02:03:45.104 --> 02:03:45.663
Seriously.
02:03:45.953 --> 02:03:46.274
All hairy.
02:03:46.274 --> 02:03:50.423
They don't do that anymore because they realize, you know, Sitting, not moving is worse.
02:03:50.863 --> 02:03:53.404
Now they just put a little titanium in there and you're in a boot.
02:03:53.554 --> 02:03:54.583
You're moving around.
02:03:54.694 --> 02:03:55.184
Oh cool.
02:03:55.213 --> 02:03:55.703
It's great.
02:03:55.804 --> 02:03:56.703
Yeah, it's a different world now.
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Different world.
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I mean, you know, five years ago I'd have no leg.
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Right.
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This, this surgery, this.
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This, um, there's not even that many people that can do it.
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The doctor that did it, it doesn't even live here anymore.
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He's onto a different hospital.
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So you'd be stuck if you were here now.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I actually, when I was, I mean, it's not beautiful, but it looks pretty good.
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I mean, it's there, right?
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I got freckles on it.
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Yeah, that's good.
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Encouraging sign.
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Yeah.
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It's except some wacky swelling over here.
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I'm going in on the ninth.
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Yeah.
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But they just, it was nuts, man.
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It was that whole process.
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So I think if, if that's the.
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That's what I get to deal with.
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You know, I'm sure there'll be more as I get older, but I mean, that was like the big Crazy.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I hope it stays that way for you.
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Thanks.
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I'm moving into we didn't get to finish this thought But oh, yeah, I'm moving into the loss of my parents at some point Which is gonna be really hard for me My father just actually had a stroke and passed he passed away on the gurney and then they revived him And he's crazy.
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My kids and I went to say goodbye and then they pulled them off life support and he lived.
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I know it's unreal.
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Now he's like in assisted living and making a comeback.
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So that has been a total mind meld.
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Um, but I just went and visited him for a week and spent two and a half hours a day at his assisted living place.
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And we had a great time.
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My mom and he's communicative.
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And so yeah, his brain is like 98 percent back.
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Well, his body is, you know, he's 87 year old.
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I'm the youngest.
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So he was older when he had me.
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Sure.
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That's like the new thing for me is like Helping my parents transition.
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Yeah, you know and I want to do it gracefully with them and I want to make it good They gave in the right ways.
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Where are they at now?
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Southern Oregon and Rogue River.
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Okay.
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Yeah, would you move out there?
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I sure would I've been here for 26 years now.
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Yeah, and um, well, it's closer to Sacramento too.
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It's closer Actually, I'm gonna go there for six weeks this winter.
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Okay, see what it feels like.
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Yeah to be out there.
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I wish Chantel and I would be five hours apart.
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I'll be able to be there with my kids.
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I just gotta figure out the music.
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You know, my music community is here.
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The nice thing is, if I sold my home here, as you know, it's worth, you know, I owe two something and it's worth eight.
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So I could go there, spend three.
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Really, it's not super high priced there yet.
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Oh no, it's nothing like Colorado.
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And I could put half a million in the bank.
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What?
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Right.
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I could just play really sparse gigs.
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So I don't know.
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I'm up against a bunch of things that I hadn't thought of.
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Realized I had to think about yeah, but my brother lives out there and he's willing to help and yeah So we're just gonna tackle and airplanes aren't that expensive either, right?
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Look, it's a two and a half hour flight from here, right?
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Boom.
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Boom.
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Yeah, easy.
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Easy peasy.
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So yeah, well good luck with that Uh, you know, I'll be facing the same thing because we're basically the same age.
02:06:42.529 --> 02:06:49.219
Yeah, we sure are When, uh, you didn't say exactly when the album's coming out, but how would people find it?
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Like, should they just go on like iTunes or whatever?
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Um, you can always go to max Mackey.
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com and that's my website.
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It has all my dates and it'll have all the updates when it's coming.
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Your upcoming shows, all that shows, um, on Spotify and Apple music and everything.
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It's under Max Mackey band.
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Okay.
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That's what I released it as.
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I probably might change it just back to Max Mackey, but I don't know yet.
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This will be released differently.
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The guy that's been helping me with it has reminded me that nobody really listens to albums anymore.
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They just make playlists.
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So I'm actually going to release it in three chunks.
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I'll release three and then I'll release three more and then I'll release the final four.
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Yeah.
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And so, but then I'll be part of the album.
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I am going to make vinyl and I will have that as like a full on CD release party.
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Yeah.
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And that'll be definitely, you know, if you're on social media at all, it's all max Mackie music.
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Instagram, Facebook, and then Max Mackey is my website, and then Max Mackey Band on the I've started, uh, I've started listening to albums more lately.
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I love, I love it.
02:07:52.934 --> 02:08:10.988
It's making a huge comeback, so I'm gonna Yeah, well not, not vinyl, like I just go and play I want to listen to this album, you know, uh, Cause there's something about it, like, being a curated group of songs instead of just That's not Well, the thing is, it's like you miss so much when you just listen to the two hits.
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Right?
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I mean, like, here's a classic, one of my favorite examples is the band Toto.
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Yeah.
02:08:16.298 --> 02:08:20.154
People just realize, so tunes way down in Africa and that's it.
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And that's what they know.
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That's all I know.
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Or they know.
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Um, oh gosh.
02:08:24.109 --> 02:08:24.859
On the tip, my tongue.
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Anyway, it's not gonna come to me.
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But there's, that's the two hits.
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But I mean, Steve Lu Luer is that guitar player.
02:08:31.529 --> 02:08:31.828
Yeah.
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Those guys are incredible.
02:08:33.423 --> 02:08:35.453
I mean, that's an incredible, incredible band.
02:08:35.453 --> 02:08:43.564
And if you don't dig in or like, um, uh, Steely Dan, like, you know, you just, you, you pick the two radio hits.
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But you, you missed the catalog of what an unbelievable.
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So I wish, I hope that people will go back to that.
02:08:50.639 --> 02:08:52.948
Like the B sides of the stones were great.
02:08:53.059 --> 02:08:53.378
Right.
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They're great blue stuff.
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That's not, that's not the otherwise overplayed.
02:08:58.238 --> 02:08:58.509
Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I mean, it can't, it can't always be the hits.
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We're just fed to only think.
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So I was going to say, stand by your album.
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I will.
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It's not three groups of three.
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It's a fricking album released in three parts.
02:09:09.519 --> 02:09:10.019
Yeah.
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Well, I hope when I do this, when I do the album release, It'll be vinyl and everybody can come and people can, if they want to book you for their birthday party music or something like that, they can just contact you through the website or max Mackie band at gmail.
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And that's when I have you.
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Oh yeah.
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That's that's what's on there.
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Cool.
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Yeah, man.
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Well, it's been fun.
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It's been great.
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This has really, really been fun for me.
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So I'm glad to have you here.
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Yeah, man.
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All right.
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We'll see you next time.
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